I have structured all the relevant videos and blogs/articles in one supportive document for the people who write on the Demonology Forum. I then decided to place the compilation here on my blog as well, 'cos its so cool:
Therefore to assist one in walking the point of self support within ones 'mind-demon' experiences - below are the key components of the Desteni process of 'Writing Oneself to Freedom':
Self-Writing:
http://wiki.destonians.com/Self-Writing
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1452
Examples of Writing yourself to Freedom: http://forum.desteni.org/viewforum.php?f=8
Self-Forgiveness:
http://wiki.destonians.com/Self-Forgiveness
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=2201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1xvuJTViI4&feature=colike
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1457
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGp5low5DqY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gfkbui3BGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYdkk2MXrWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u_HXF5U9GA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLwzW7HcPGw&feature=colike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F9k-phE6Gc&feature=youtu.be
http://youtu.be/WUyxDfHpYY4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6CxMBXXlVE&feature=colike
http://youtu.be/mLC8KlXA8As
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1594
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYk7cVb4sR8&feature=colike
http://youtu.be/Q2uLKK8smMk
In this Post I provide examples of how to start writing Self-Forgiveness: http://demons.desteni.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=729
Examples of Self-Forgiveness:
http://forum.desteni.org/viewforum.php?f=9 http://desteni.org/a/veno-self-forgiveness-hiding
http://desteni.org/a/veno-self-forgiveness-relationship
http://desteni.org/a/veno-self-forgiveness-self-control
http://desteni.org/a/veno-self-forgiveness-fear
http://desteni.org/a/veno-self-forgiveness-anger
http://desteni.org/a/veno-self-forgiveness-female-ego
http://desteni.org/a/veno-self-forgiveness-male-ego
http://desteni.org/a/jack-self-forgiveness-sleeping
http://desteni.org/a/jack-self-forgiveness-god
http://desteni.org/a/veno-self-forgiveness-self-dishonesty-part-one
http://desteni.org/a/veno-practical-support-and-guidance-with-self-forgiveness
http://desteni.org/a/veno-practical-support-and-guidance-with-self-forgiveness-part-2
More Guidance on Self-Forgiveness: http://forum.desteni.org/viewforum.php?f=5
Self-Honesty:
http://wiki.destonians.com/Self-Honesty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m4LqBWQg9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv6iqJhOwiU&feature=colike
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1993
Breathing:
http://wiki.destonians.com/Breath
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1459
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1604
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2023
Self-Correction and Self -Movement:
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1738
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1450
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1705
Working with your Thought:
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1939
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkEVmd59-Ao
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2079
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0uel7s7DcA&feature=colike
Self-Acceptance:
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1557
Self-Perfection:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCj6kp6W3PY
http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1118
Self-Agreement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn2PGtsCudI
Common Sense: http://wiki.destonians.com/Common_Sense
More Videos: http://forum.desteni.org/viewforum.php?f=26
http://forum.desteni.org/viewforum.php?f=11
More Writings: http://forum.desteni.org/viewforum.php?f=10
Showing posts with label desteni. Show all posts
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Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Thursday, December 29, 2011
Inside Outside Equal & One: Directing Postponement in the Moment
Inside Outside Equal & One: Directing Postponement in the Moment: Just recently I uploaded a video entitled Postponement in Mind Constructs , wherein I speak about how I walked myself out of putting the M...
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Sunday, November 13, 2011
The world hunger problem: Facts, figures and statistics
The world hunger problem: Facts, figures and statistics
In the Asian, African and Latin American countries, well over 500 million people are living in what the World Bank has called “absolute poverty”
Every year 15 million children die of hunger
For the price of one missile, a school full of hungry children could eat lunch every day for 5 years
Throughout the 1990′s more than 100 million children will die from illness and starvation. Those 100 million deaths could be prevented for the price of ten Stealth bombers, or what the world spends on its military in two days!
The World Health Organization estimates that one-third of the world is well-fed, one-third is under-fed one-third is starving- Since you’ve entered this site at least 200 people have died of starvation. Over 4 million will die this year.
One in twelve people worldwide is malnourished, including 160 million children under the age of 5. United Nations Food and Agriculture
The Indian subcontinent has nearly half the world’s hungry people. Africa and the rest of Asia together have approximately 40%, and the remaining hungry people are found in Latin America and other parts of the world. Hunger in Global Economy
Nearly one in four people, 1.3 billion – a majority of humanity – live on less than $1 per day, while the world’s 358 billionaires have assets exceeding the combined annual incomes of countries with 45 percent of the world’s people. UNICEF
3 billion people in the world today struggle to survive on US$2/day.
In 1994 the Urban Institute in Washington DC estimated that one out of 6 elderly people in the U.S. has an inadequate diet.
In the U.S. hunger and race are related. In 1991 46% of African-American children were chronically hungry, and 40% of Latino children were chronically hungry compared to 16% of white children.
The infant mortality rate is closely linked to inadequate nutrition among pregnant women. The U.S. ranks 23rd among industrial nations in infant mortality. African-American infants die at nearly twice the rate of white infants.
One out of every eight children under the age of twelve in the U.S. goes to bed hungry every night.
Half of all children under five years of age in South Asia and one third of those in sub-Saharan Africa are malnourished.
In 1997 alone, the lives of at least 300,000 young children were saved by vitamin A supplementation programmes in developing countries.
Malnutrition is implicated in more than half of all child deaths worldwide – a proportion unmatched by any infectious disease since the Black Death
About 183 million children weigh less than they should for their age
To satisfy the world’s sanitation and food requirements would cost only US$13 billion- what the people of the United States and the European Union spend on perfume each year.
The assets of the world’s three richest men are more than the combined GNP of all the least developed countries on the planet.
Every 3.6 seconds someone dies of hunger
It is estimated that some 800 million people in the world suffer from hunger and malnutrition, about 100 times as many as those who actually die from it each year.
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In the Asian, African and Latin American countries, well over 500 million people are living in what the World Bank has called “absolute poverty”
Every year 15 million children die of hunger
For the price of one missile, a school full of hungry children could eat lunch every day for 5 years
Throughout the 1990′s more than 100 million children will die from illness and starvation. Those 100 million deaths could be prevented for the price of ten Stealth bombers, or what the world spends on its military in two days!
The World Health Organization estimates that one-third of the world is well-fed, one-third is under-fed one-third is starving- Since you’ve entered this site at least 200 people have died of starvation. Over 4 million will die this year.
One in twelve people worldwide is malnourished, including 160 million children under the age of 5. United Nations Food and Agriculture
The Indian subcontinent has nearly half the world’s hungry people. Africa and the rest of Asia together have approximately 40%, and the remaining hungry people are found in Latin America and other parts of the world. Hunger in Global Economy
Nearly one in four people, 1.3 billion – a majority of humanity – live on less than $1 per day, while the world’s 358 billionaires have assets exceeding the combined annual incomes of countries with 45 percent of the world’s people. UNICEF
3 billion people in the world today struggle to survive on US$2/day.
In 1994 the Urban Institute in Washington DC estimated that one out of 6 elderly people in the U.S. has an inadequate diet.
In the U.S. hunger and race are related. In 1991 46% of African-American children were chronically hungry, and 40% of Latino children were chronically hungry compared to 16% of white children.
The infant mortality rate is closely linked to inadequate nutrition among pregnant women. The U.S. ranks 23rd among industrial nations in infant mortality. African-American infants die at nearly twice the rate of white infants.
One out of every eight children under the age of twelve in the U.S. goes to bed hungry every night.
Half of all children under five years of age in South Asia and one third of those in sub-Saharan Africa are malnourished.
In 1997 alone, the lives of at least 300,000 young children were saved by vitamin A supplementation programmes in developing countries.
Malnutrition is implicated in more than half of all child deaths worldwide – a proportion unmatched by any infectious disease since the Black Death
About 183 million children weigh less than they should for their age
To satisfy the world’s sanitation and food requirements would cost only US$13 billion- what the people of the United States and the European Union spend on perfume each year.
The assets of the world’s three richest men are more than the combined GNP of all the least developed countries on the planet.
Every 3.6 seconds someone dies of hunger
It is estimated that some 800 million people in the world suffer from hunger and malnutrition, about 100 times as many as those who actually die from it each year.
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Monday, October 24, 2011
Fear of contact - Demonology Forum Perspective
Original Post:
http://demonology.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=729&p=1367#p1367
With regards to the point of projecting fear:
What you are experiencing is your pre-existent fear of yourself, which if not faced effectively through the tools of writings and self forgiveness - becomes a projected fear onto others and your world. Therefore it was suggested in other posts - to specifically start focusing on taking apart all your beliefs, ideas, fears - to write out ones whole life if necessary to find out how you constructed you. In walking backwards in time through your life experiences and applying self forgiveness - one is able to de-construct all the layers that you exists as now called personality. You will find that everything you are now, exists as layers of past memories.
Therefore 'What if I just picked up a disease from touching a door handle or something?' exists as a projected fear from the layers of fears you have compounded over the years towards yourself into an obsessive behavior.
For example - 'fear of contact because something is unclean and you could infect others' is based on the residual fear within you that you are unclean - that there is something inside of you that is unseen and could make you ill. It is that part of you that cannot be trusted. Why is that? So the suggestion here is to go deeper into your fear of yourself based on an idea you have of yourself -which you have already highlighted in previous posts. Once you have written about this point through to self forgiveness and self correction - I suggest to start writing about your life. While writing about each life event - go into detail with regards to how you experienced it and how it influenced who you are now. From there you apply self forgiveness on each point you have realized. Once you have covered all the point - you can move on. This is a consistent process one commits to in daily or weekly writing.
Start writing and we will assist if necessary to indicate where specificity and further self forgiveness is required.
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Saturday, September 17, 2011
Google Harbouring a new Cult - 'What is the Plan?'
Ok so here we have a new cult on the internet and I have already done a video and a blog about the Rick Ross cult. Now I am going to be doing an overview of the cult called ‘The Plan’ and in the description box I will place the link, where you can see the discussion taking place and I will show you how this cult uses specific brainwashing techniques on their members, within the use of specific words, specific emotion generators, specific placement of words and sentences. Where they know that if you place information in a specific way, thus you are assuming the information yourself, but by placing it in such a way that you are going to create a mystery and an unanswered question within the placement of the information, it is going to generate suspicion and doubt in the other members.
Therefore their inclination, because they are already participating in this cult, their tendency to be brainwashed is so prevalent that they are going to take the suspicion that you are generating in the placement of words and they are going to believe the information and they are going to get hyped up into generating more suspicion and doubt.
This is how these cults function. Basically what the members of the cult do, the founder members is that they will place specific words and sentences to create hysteria, to create doubt, to create fear in people about other people. They will use misinformation to get that effect in people. This is how they eventually brainwash their members.
So here the specific post that I am referring to is where they are discussing the group called Desteni and I am going to go to each post that stands out specifically to show you the techniques that the group uses. First of all here we have a member called “jackydee” whom goes and places information where he has done his best to take down the group Desteni and basically what he did was, he was the one whom was responsible he claims, for going to the internet host of Desteni and convincing Hetzner that they had to remove Desteni by providing false information about the content of the website.
He then goes on to providing bank details, which he gets from various pages of our website in the hopes that this will ‘prove’ that Desteni is involved in some money making scam. So, if you go and you take somebody’s banking details from their website or a page that they provide and you place the banking details, this according to them is evidence that a person is busy with a money making scam, because they say here ‘here’s a list of their bank accounts. As you can see that in itself it is rather dodgy.’ How is it ‘dodgy’ that people have bank accounts first of all?
Then he goes on to describe how Esteni De Wet and Bernard Poolman met. So the fact that Esteni here describes how she met Bernard, how they started their business together, that Esteni was in a relationship and that the relationship ended and she started a relationship with Bernard – this is again an example of how cult members here are using every day experiences that normal people would have, they as the members of that forum have had these experiences themselves, but they are misrepresenting the information on this particular forum to create a hype within the people who are reading it. They are changing the information and the context, so that it is all of a sudden very mysterious and very suspicious how these two people got into a relationship.
Then they go onto referring to information about some De Wet person who had a bankruptcy case and Bernard Poolman had an insolvency estate and that this in itself is ground for accusing the group called Desteni that they are busy with some world annihilation, child abusing, woman abusing cult. They cannot even prove that these are the members who are involved with Desteni. Half of the time they are saying ‘oh look here is somebody who has the surname ‘De Wet’, which is the same surname as one of the founding members of Desteni. So again misrepresenting information to create doubt, to create fear in people, to deliberately generate hate in people on this website.
The next person goes on to indicate that ‘I heard that they were chased off Youtube, then Vimeo, and I had planned on letting the next hosts know about this history of ‘Multi-Marketing’. This person goes on to admit and he’s called ‘Deadpool’ and he is one of the major players here on this forum, where he assists in brainwashing everybody by taking pieces of information and making more out of it than what it is. He is here admitting that he is initiating harmful actions against the group called Desteni by actually encouraging other groups, whom have an involvement with Desteni through the misinformation and misrepresentation of the information as I am indicating to you here. Because all they need to do is they need to say to a hosting company or to a group that is involved with Desteni ‘oh this is what these people are actually saying within the material that they represent’ and because there are existing laws that they can play on and because there are fears that they can play on and fear mongering you just need to use words like Hitler and other groups are prone to believing it for the sake of themselves not having to end up in trouble, such as in the case of Youtube. These members are admitting that they were involved in an action, due to false flagging to get DesteniProductions removed. So they themselves are participating in a false action to get a group removed.
The next person here is called ‘calico cat’, very fascinatingly has a little picture of ‘stop animal abuse’ with a little kitten and this person goes and says ‘due to your location have you learnt of any abuse done to members on that farm? There was a video removed by Youtube that seems to indicate a rape and killing of a woman’.
Any validity to this? Now that video that we uploaded was specifically done because we received daily mails from people saying that we abuse people on the farm. So of course, we are not afraid to laugh in the face of complete self brainwashing (chuckles) and these people did this to themselves. They already brainwashed themselves with the fear of what is a cult, what is not a cult and they looked at certain key aspects of what we were doing as a group and we were speaking up against world abuse and we were straight, getting to the point and saying that religion is abuse, the family system as it currently is, is abuse, ascension is abuse, culture is abuse. Anything currently in this world is founded on the principle of ego and the principle of making money to serve the rich and therefore everything that exist currently does not take into consideration all beings on this planet equally, to actually support the human being to become more effective. Everything exists currently to bully the human being into fitting into the current system and we point those things out.
From the beginning there were groups that had a big problem with what we did, so they would pick up on key points and shout ‘cult cult, you’re a cult’. So of course what did we do? We made a funny video starring myself where we filmed us torturing and kidnapping and killing people, just to show who on the internet was extremely brainwashed by themselves. We uploaded these videos, obviously each video contained the people who had been killed in the previous video, were being killed again in the next video or were the killers. Obviously we did this to indicate how brainwashed somebody has to be to not even notice that from one video to the next video the exact same people are there. You know what happened? Exactly as we suspected, the people went up in arms and said ‘this is proof that this cult is killing people, oh my god look at what they are doing.’ It was hilariously funny. I mean the comments that were coming in were ‘how dare you do this to these people, I wonder of the authorities know about this, I am going to tell the authorities’ and ‘how can the authorities allow you to post this video on YouTube, why are there not taking you down?’ Well first of all YouTube allows softporn, YouTube allows videos of children beating themselves up and each other up, YouTube allows videos of extensive fight clubs. So let’s not get started on what YouTube will allow and what YouTube will not allow. I mean YouTube as the big group that it currently is, would not even exist if it wasn’t for sensationalism and if it wasn’t for the fact that they would allow violence and pornography and sex on their own web site. So please don’t make it out as if YouTube actually stands up for anything or that YouTube in any way represents what is decent or what is fair, because they only work on what people want to see.
So, if people want to use false flagging to remove a group, they will remove a group. But if everybody on YouTube agrees as it is currently that soft porn is alright and videos of people fighting are fine, then it is fine. Then YouTube will allow it. They themselves do not stick to their own community guidelines. They won’t go about scanning videos and making sure that videos get removed. I mean myself as the user, if I come across 10, to 20 to 50 soft porn videos just in doing random searches on YouTube, then why can they themselves not have a committee of people responsible for removing that trash? Why? Because sex sells. Violence sells. This is what the kids and the people want to watch that are watching YouTube, therefore YouTube in itself is a cult where people get to come and watch their secret nasty mind, backchat, secret mind desires and fantasies and lie about why they are actually on Youtube. ‘Oh it is a fun community, because we get to watch videos’. Really? What people are really watching is represented in what YouTube is really allowing and that through false flagging groups that work with establishing Equality so that everybody can have food and a place to live, those groups get flagged, false flagged and get removed.
So let’s continue with this forum thread here. This ‘deadpool’, again using extensive brainwashing techniques to create confusion and fear in people will go ‘have you see this picture of Bernard (the leader) and Darryl (the fallout guy), where Bernard is giving the finger to the camera? Would love to know more about this ‘encounter'. Uh, by ‘this encounter’, what this ‘deadpool’ is trying to encourage in people is creating an idea that something happened between Bernard and the camera man. That this encounter perhaps existed because the camera man got onto the farm and tried to take pictures of Bernard , the ‘cult leader’ and Bernard turned around and pulled his finger at this person. Ehm no, it was actually a visitor on the farm and we were playing around with the cameras and Bernard had said ‘I don’t want the main focus becoming about me, I want the people who use the tools from Desteni, they can have their pictures and video on the internet. I don’t want it becoming about me because in the past it has always become about ‘the leader’, the ‘guru’ and then people make more out of the person who walked the tools first and then was able to present it and form a bigger group that represent the tools, it always becomes about people making more out of that person than what is necessary.’ He did not want this. He has made it very clear in his interviews and in information that we have placed on the internet that he didn’t want it becoming about him. So of course the joke was that when this person took the photo of him for their own personal collection because they were visiting the farm, he pulled his finger at the camera. A joke, but again these people are using this information to brainwash everybody else on this thread through fear, to believe something that is not relevant.
Then ‘deadpool’ in his next post goes on to say ‘on the Desteni forum we have seen 200 members as only the public front door. See the above video on anti-hate and a previous porn, spam attack, the original main forum experienced in the past. They locked it away because of that it seems. Basically in terms of viable operations attacking their public forum would be as successful as putting a burning bag of turn on their doorstep. We need a deeper infiltration for any kind of impact. I hope that doesn’t require taking any courses from these parasites.’ So again here ‘deadpool’ is encouraging people to create malicious actions and hateful actions against Desteni, such as actually admitting here that he is going to launch an internet attack on our websites.
Next we have a member called “Durandarte”, from New York. This person posts information that he got off one of our WebPages, where we are now moving to a new domain “News: Desteni transferring site, saw on their current website. New site still under construction.’ And he gives the link which refers you to our new domain. ‘we would have to make sure to hit this site hard when going against them, they should be venerable to spamming, trolling, and other attacks in the next few weeks, so this site will make a prime target when the op begins…’ again indicating here that these people are coming together here and planning to actually be vindictive and nasty against Desteni and that there is a whole group of them involved in this and that they are sweeping each other up here into an action of maliciousness.
Now with regards to the responsibility of Google and the people who run these forums, they are busy with terrorism; they are busy allowing members to plan hateful actions against another group. We have already, and this we are recording, we have found many posts similar to these. You see these are referring to internet attacks and we have already come across people on the internet people who are discussing actually attacking us on the farm. The responsibility of allowing such a mind set to develop to such a point, where somebody would actually say ‘I am going to make sure their farm gets burnt down’, now such actions always begin somewhere and they begin on these cult forums. What happens Is that on these ‘cult-get-together-forums’, you have an idea being presented, you have the personal interests of the members involved, whatever it is that they are busy with in their own minds, the hatred that exists within them towards other groups and they do not care what harm is done. Here I have shown you just one snippet of how information is taken, how it is misrepresented, how it is twisted and then eventually the members of this cult will brainwash each other into believing whatever new information they have just placed, by taking assumptions and twisting them into making it into something it is not. Then eventually down the line, you have groups here admitting that they are attacking us on the internet, or at least ‘attempting to’ and that some of them would actually physically come to us and cause us harm.
Such cults need to be eradicated and removed off the internet. It is the responsibility, and I suggest that the Hosting Domains and the Web Servers and the Hosting Services like Google must take responsibility for these hate campaigns. I mean talk about creating a group of terrorists. We have all becomes so use to viewing terrorists as people in religious garb, who will go and bomb the shit out of a place for their god and because they hate America, but that is not the real terrorism going on. Yes there is that terrorism of which parts of it have happened in the past and it is valid and some of it is not valid and most of it is being used currently to create fear, but that is another topic and I am not going to go into that right now. I am talking about this form of terrorism which is actually playing out here on websites and nobody is doing anything about it, it is being allowed. Why is it being allowed? I mean if you are seeing a militant, terrorist, underground group openly on websites discussing how they are planning on attacking another group, the American CIA and the anti-terrorists groups would be all over this and Google and their web hosts would be forced to shut these websites down.
So here my point is that I am the ‘cult-infotainment-educator’ and all these people here have a good laugh because, well they make me laugh, because they consider themselves ‘cult-experts’ just like Rick-Ross whom gave himself the title of ‘cult-expert’ and these people are allowing themselves, by giving themselves the title of ‘cult-expert’ to say anything they want. So I am going to call myself a ‘cult-expert’ and I am from now on going to be giving actual evidence of cults existing on the internet that are planning and do execute harmful actions against other groups.
Here you will find the original discussion: http://www.whatis-theplan.org/t13887p75-cult-is-brewing-and-anon-needs-to-put-a-stop-to-it#169482
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Therefore their inclination, because they are already participating in this cult, their tendency to be brainwashed is so prevalent that they are going to take the suspicion that you are generating in the placement of words and they are going to believe the information and they are going to get hyped up into generating more suspicion and doubt.
This is how these cults function. Basically what the members of the cult do, the founder members is that they will place specific words and sentences to create hysteria, to create doubt, to create fear in people about other people. They will use misinformation to get that effect in people. This is how they eventually brainwash their members.
So here the specific post that I am referring to is where they are discussing the group called Desteni and I am going to go to each post that stands out specifically to show you the techniques that the group uses. First of all here we have a member called “jackydee” whom goes and places information where he has done his best to take down the group Desteni and basically what he did was, he was the one whom was responsible he claims, for going to the internet host of Desteni and convincing Hetzner that they had to remove Desteni by providing false information about the content of the website.
He then goes on to providing bank details, which he gets from various pages of our website in the hopes that this will ‘prove’ that Desteni is involved in some money making scam. So, if you go and you take somebody’s banking details from their website or a page that they provide and you place the banking details, this according to them is evidence that a person is busy with a money making scam, because they say here ‘here’s a list of their bank accounts. As you can see that in itself it is rather dodgy.’ How is it ‘dodgy’ that people have bank accounts first of all?
Then he goes on to describe how Esteni De Wet and Bernard Poolman met. So the fact that Esteni here describes how she met Bernard, how they started their business together, that Esteni was in a relationship and that the relationship ended and she started a relationship with Bernard – this is again an example of how cult members here are using every day experiences that normal people would have, they as the members of that forum have had these experiences themselves, but they are misrepresenting the information on this particular forum to create a hype within the people who are reading it. They are changing the information and the context, so that it is all of a sudden very mysterious and very suspicious how these two people got into a relationship.
Then they go onto referring to information about some De Wet person who had a bankruptcy case and Bernard Poolman had an insolvency estate and that this in itself is ground for accusing the group called Desteni that they are busy with some world annihilation, child abusing, woman abusing cult. They cannot even prove that these are the members who are involved with Desteni. Half of the time they are saying ‘oh look here is somebody who has the surname ‘De Wet’, which is the same surname as one of the founding members of Desteni. So again misrepresenting information to create doubt, to create fear in people, to deliberately generate hate in people on this website.
The next person goes on to indicate that ‘I heard that they were chased off Youtube, then Vimeo, and I had planned on letting the next hosts know about this history of ‘Multi-Marketing’. This person goes on to admit and he’s called ‘Deadpool’ and he is one of the major players here on this forum, where he assists in brainwashing everybody by taking pieces of information and making more out of it than what it is. He is here admitting that he is initiating harmful actions against the group called Desteni by actually encouraging other groups, whom have an involvement with Desteni through the misinformation and misrepresentation of the information as I am indicating to you here. Because all they need to do is they need to say to a hosting company or to a group that is involved with Desteni ‘oh this is what these people are actually saying within the material that they represent’ and because there are existing laws that they can play on and because there are fears that they can play on and fear mongering you just need to use words like Hitler and other groups are prone to believing it for the sake of themselves not having to end up in trouble, such as in the case of Youtube. These members are admitting that they were involved in an action, due to false flagging to get DesteniProductions removed. So they themselves are participating in a false action to get a group removed.
The next person here is called ‘calico cat’, very fascinatingly has a little picture of ‘stop animal abuse’ with a little kitten and this person goes and says ‘due to your location have you learnt of any abuse done to members on that farm? There was a video removed by Youtube that seems to indicate a rape and killing of a woman’.
Any validity to this? Now that video that we uploaded was specifically done because we received daily mails from people saying that we abuse people on the farm. So of course, we are not afraid to laugh in the face of complete self brainwashing (chuckles) and these people did this to themselves. They already brainwashed themselves with the fear of what is a cult, what is not a cult and they looked at certain key aspects of what we were doing as a group and we were speaking up against world abuse and we were straight, getting to the point and saying that religion is abuse, the family system as it currently is, is abuse, ascension is abuse, culture is abuse. Anything currently in this world is founded on the principle of ego and the principle of making money to serve the rich and therefore everything that exist currently does not take into consideration all beings on this planet equally, to actually support the human being to become more effective. Everything exists currently to bully the human being into fitting into the current system and we point those things out.
From the beginning there were groups that had a big problem with what we did, so they would pick up on key points and shout ‘cult cult, you’re a cult’. So of course what did we do? We made a funny video starring myself where we filmed us torturing and kidnapping and killing people, just to show who on the internet was extremely brainwashed by themselves. We uploaded these videos, obviously each video contained the people who had been killed in the previous video, were being killed again in the next video or were the killers. Obviously we did this to indicate how brainwashed somebody has to be to not even notice that from one video to the next video the exact same people are there. You know what happened? Exactly as we suspected, the people went up in arms and said ‘this is proof that this cult is killing people, oh my god look at what they are doing.’ It was hilariously funny. I mean the comments that were coming in were ‘how dare you do this to these people, I wonder of the authorities know about this, I am going to tell the authorities’ and ‘how can the authorities allow you to post this video on YouTube, why are there not taking you down?’ Well first of all YouTube allows softporn, YouTube allows videos of children beating themselves up and each other up, YouTube allows videos of extensive fight clubs. So let’s not get started on what YouTube will allow and what YouTube will not allow. I mean YouTube as the big group that it currently is, would not even exist if it wasn’t for sensationalism and if it wasn’t for the fact that they would allow violence and pornography and sex on their own web site. So please don’t make it out as if YouTube actually stands up for anything or that YouTube in any way represents what is decent or what is fair, because they only work on what people want to see.
So, if people want to use false flagging to remove a group, they will remove a group. But if everybody on YouTube agrees as it is currently that soft porn is alright and videos of people fighting are fine, then it is fine. Then YouTube will allow it. They themselves do not stick to their own community guidelines. They won’t go about scanning videos and making sure that videos get removed. I mean myself as the user, if I come across 10, to 20 to 50 soft porn videos just in doing random searches on YouTube, then why can they themselves not have a committee of people responsible for removing that trash? Why? Because sex sells. Violence sells. This is what the kids and the people want to watch that are watching YouTube, therefore YouTube in itself is a cult where people get to come and watch their secret nasty mind, backchat, secret mind desires and fantasies and lie about why they are actually on Youtube. ‘Oh it is a fun community, because we get to watch videos’. Really? What people are really watching is represented in what YouTube is really allowing and that through false flagging groups that work with establishing Equality so that everybody can have food and a place to live, those groups get flagged, false flagged and get removed.
So let’s continue with this forum thread here. This ‘deadpool’, again using extensive brainwashing techniques to create confusion and fear in people will go ‘have you see this picture of Bernard (the leader) and Darryl (the fallout guy), where Bernard is giving the finger to the camera? Would love to know more about this ‘encounter'. Uh, by ‘this encounter’, what this ‘deadpool’ is trying to encourage in people is creating an idea that something happened between Bernard and the camera man. That this encounter perhaps existed because the camera man got onto the farm and tried to take pictures of Bernard , the ‘cult leader’ and Bernard turned around and pulled his finger at this person. Ehm no, it was actually a visitor on the farm and we were playing around with the cameras and Bernard had said ‘I don’t want the main focus becoming about me, I want the people who use the tools from Desteni, they can have their pictures and video on the internet. I don’t want it becoming about me because in the past it has always become about ‘the leader’, the ‘guru’ and then people make more out of the person who walked the tools first and then was able to present it and form a bigger group that represent the tools, it always becomes about people making more out of that person than what is necessary.’ He did not want this. He has made it very clear in his interviews and in information that we have placed on the internet that he didn’t want it becoming about him. So of course the joke was that when this person took the photo of him for their own personal collection because they were visiting the farm, he pulled his finger at the camera. A joke, but again these people are using this information to brainwash everybody else on this thread through fear, to believe something that is not relevant.
Then ‘deadpool’ in his next post goes on to say ‘on the Desteni forum we have seen 200 members as only the public front door. See the above video on anti-hate and a previous porn, spam attack, the original main forum experienced in the past. They locked it away because of that it seems. Basically in terms of viable operations attacking their public forum would be as successful as putting a burning bag of turn on their doorstep. We need a deeper infiltration for any kind of impact. I hope that doesn’t require taking any courses from these parasites.’ So again here ‘deadpool’ is encouraging people to create malicious actions and hateful actions against Desteni, such as actually admitting here that he is going to launch an internet attack on our websites.
Next we have a member called “Durandarte”, from New York. This person posts information that he got off one of our WebPages, where we are now moving to a new domain “News: Desteni transferring site, saw on their current website. New site still under construction.’ And he gives the link which refers you to our new domain. ‘we would have to make sure to hit this site hard when going against them, they should be venerable to spamming, trolling, and other attacks in the next few weeks, so this site will make a prime target when the op begins…’ again indicating here that these people are coming together here and planning to actually be vindictive and nasty against Desteni and that there is a whole group of them involved in this and that they are sweeping each other up here into an action of maliciousness.
Now with regards to the responsibility of Google and the people who run these forums, they are busy with terrorism; they are busy allowing members to plan hateful actions against another group. We have already, and this we are recording, we have found many posts similar to these. You see these are referring to internet attacks and we have already come across people on the internet people who are discussing actually attacking us on the farm. The responsibility of allowing such a mind set to develop to such a point, where somebody would actually say ‘I am going to make sure their farm gets burnt down’, now such actions always begin somewhere and they begin on these cult forums. What happens Is that on these ‘cult-get-together-forums’, you have an idea being presented, you have the personal interests of the members involved, whatever it is that they are busy with in their own minds, the hatred that exists within them towards other groups and they do not care what harm is done. Here I have shown you just one snippet of how information is taken, how it is misrepresented, how it is twisted and then eventually the members of this cult will brainwash each other into believing whatever new information they have just placed, by taking assumptions and twisting them into making it into something it is not. Then eventually down the line, you have groups here admitting that they are attacking us on the internet, or at least ‘attempting to’ and that some of them would actually physically come to us and cause us harm.
Such cults need to be eradicated and removed off the internet. It is the responsibility, and I suggest that the Hosting Domains and the Web Servers and the Hosting Services like Google must take responsibility for these hate campaigns. I mean talk about creating a group of terrorists. We have all becomes so use to viewing terrorists as people in religious garb, who will go and bomb the shit out of a place for their god and because they hate America, but that is not the real terrorism going on. Yes there is that terrorism of which parts of it have happened in the past and it is valid and some of it is not valid and most of it is being used currently to create fear, but that is another topic and I am not going to go into that right now. I am talking about this form of terrorism which is actually playing out here on websites and nobody is doing anything about it, it is being allowed. Why is it being allowed? I mean if you are seeing a militant, terrorist, underground group openly on websites discussing how they are planning on attacking another group, the American CIA and the anti-terrorists groups would be all over this and Google and their web hosts would be forced to shut these websites down.
So here my point is that I am the ‘cult-infotainment-educator’ and all these people here have a good laugh because, well they make me laugh, because they consider themselves ‘cult-experts’ just like Rick-Ross whom gave himself the title of ‘cult-expert’ and these people are allowing themselves, by giving themselves the title of ‘cult-expert’ to say anything they want. So I am going to call myself a ‘cult-expert’ and I am from now on going to be giving actual evidence of cults existing on the internet that are planning and do execute harmful actions against other groups.
Here you will find the original discussion: http://www.whatis-theplan.org/t13887p75-cult-is-brewing-and-anon-needs-to-put-a-stop-to-it#169482
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Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Demonology Forum Perspective: Sex Addiction
Demonology Forum Perspective: Sex Addiction
Original thread: http://demonology.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=655&p=1329#p1329
What I found to be the most effective was the following:
When I decided to stop masturbating for at least a 6 months, I would fall on the point of saying 'oh well what harm will it do etc'. Now what I realised about this small points - and this is where you have to be self honest with yourself - is that they exist as excuses to not fully give up the addiction to sex/masturbation. So then instead of stopping I made a deal with myself that I would only masturbate once a week. What was imperative for me to note here though was that if I did go for longer than one week -say a month without masturbation, then I would start having dreams, headaches etc, thus my body was programmed into and as the mind, as the addition. So I realized that I had to, for myself take a stand and stop masturbating for at least 4 months, because this would clearly show if I would fall or not. so I did and I had many experiences in which my body would react as the programming existent within the sex system.
When these experiences would come up, I would breathe through them, realising that they are outflows of a system that I have already designed through years of addiction to sex. For example for days I would think about sex, attempting to rationalize this as 'I am thinking about sex because I am deliberately stopping my natural self expression'. This is not natural self expression but a possession. The physical naturally expresses itself, however the mind turns it into an obsession and addiction because of energy.
So - as you mentioned in your post - each one makes that decision to stop an addition once they realize that the addiction is directing them and they are not directing themselves. Thus, in self honesty observe for example the intense desire in you to touch. You might ask the question - 'should this really be such an issues?' If you observe what is happening you will notice that the desire for touch is still one aspect of the same addiction to sex. it has simply 'focused' itself specifically into the desire for hugging, touching - because you are forcing the mind into 'fewer options'. Thus if you observe - the desire to touch another is still based on an idea. So - you have already walked through many points - very cool. Now you are at the last point one could say - where the mind will use the last desperate attempts to get you to give in. Observe the following - and this you probably realised - when you initially would stop an addiction - that desperate feeling you get as an almost 'physical take-over/possession' where you feel yourself almost unable to stop - that is the mind going into possession to get you to touch. This would be interpreted as 'I desire so strongly to do what is natural'. In the mind one will change the actual information to suit what one wants to hear, so in essence the mind is blaming you for depriving yourself of something 'so natural'. However - you will be able to tell if this is the same addiction pattern playing out.
How does one know this is the exact same addiction?
If anything moves inside you, be it a thought in relation to wanting to touch, or a physical experience - then you know it is the mind reacting to not having its energy fix. Remember - addictions work with the experience of energy. So be it watching pornography, masturbating or touching someone, whatever moves in you as a result of what you are doing - is energy. Some points have an energy that is associated as uncomfortable and some have an energy that is pleasant. Either way we have defined energy that moves through the physical as either pleasant or unpleasant and your mind is using the energies that it knows you do not like and want to get away from to push you into getting the energy that it really is addicted to. So be observant of any movements inside of you - because they are all energy based and they all come from your perception and ideas of what touch and intimacy is.
My suggestion, if you really want to see this point through, is to stop all games you play around touching. Simply make an agreement with yourself to stop playing the energy games and if necessary walk away from points where you could compromise yourself. The other option is as you mentioned to place yourself in a situation where you will touch someone, but what will that go to prove - you will simply 'time-loop back to the same point where you will see a pattern building up in which you will have to arrange your life around being able to touch someone'. This I found only reaffirms the minds addiction because you are giving it the energy that it wants. The justification though becomes that of 'this makes sense, or 'but isn't touch natural?'
While you focus for a long time on stopping, not participating with games with people in your world where you know what you are really doing - and if you are in a situation where you are hugging someone for example - to not deny oneself by shouting at the person to get away from you - lol -but instead to breathe through the experience and not attach any value within the mind as 'this is so special'.
I suggest focus on working with self touch. I practiced this for a long time and initially it would 'freak me out' (a negative energy experience) when i would give myself hugs or touch myself. The mind would throw all kinds of excuses at me to not do it, in the form of thoughts (you know you are being silly right now, right?), and uncomfortability as sweating, physical pain etc. I pushed through this and only focused on this for months, to make sure that I got back to me first before I interacted with others. Otherwise I would always know that my attempt to say 'I was not addicted' was a lie, and that my addiction would always be directing me, using me as my mind to convince me - every step of the way. I did not want to be a pawn in a game called my life, I wanted to live for real, so that when I touch another or initiate intimacy with another I know that my mind is quiet and I am enjoying physical touch as the physical, but also not dependent on the moment. It is then also important I found that even if you walk in an agreement/relationship, after learning what it means to touch self and to be self intimate (being comfortable with yourself in all ways), it was still important for me in moments (and I still do this) to 'test myself'. If I am sitting with my partner for example and I start feeling 'horny' I must be able to in one breath get up and walk away, and at another time maybe I would initiate intimacy. However the point is to remain clear on any movements within self that it does not again build up a dependency and that even in an agreement/relationship, both partners must agree to sex, but also be fine to go without it for a while, without it changing either person or the agreement. Therefore both agree in a moment that you will now play and have sex, but also know that both are clear if there is no sex for a while, thus both partners know they are not being directed by sex. Therefore you want to practice these points for yourself for months and maybe even years before you go into an agreement and I insisted that my current agreement partner do the same - walk through your addictions first until we both apply ourselves for ourselves as equals within an agreement.
Original thread: http://demonology.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=655&p=1329#p1329
What I found to be the most effective was the following:
When I decided to stop masturbating for at least a 6 months, I would fall on the point of saying 'oh well what harm will it do etc'. Now what I realised about this small points - and this is where you have to be self honest with yourself - is that they exist as excuses to not fully give up the addiction to sex/masturbation. So then instead of stopping I made a deal with myself that I would only masturbate once a week. What was imperative for me to note here though was that if I did go for longer than one week -say a month without masturbation, then I would start having dreams, headaches etc, thus my body was programmed into and as the mind, as the addition. So I realized that I had to, for myself take a stand and stop masturbating for at least 4 months, because this would clearly show if I would fall or not. so I did and I had many experiences in which my body would react as the programming existent within the sex system.
When these experiences would come up, I would breathe through them, realising that they are outflows of a system that I have already designed through years of addiction to sex. For example for days I would think about sex, attempting to rationalize this as 'I am thinking about sex because I am deliberately stopping my natural self expression'. This is not natural self expression but a possession. The physical naturally expresses itself, however the mind turns it into an obsession and addiction because of energy.
So - as you mentioned in your post - each one makes that decision to stop an addition once they realize that the addiction is directing them and they are not directing themselves. Thus, in self honesty observe for example the intense desire in you to touch. You might ask the question - 'should this really be such an issues?' If you observe what is happening you will notice that the desire for touch is still one aspect of the same addiction to sex. it has simply 'focused' itself specifically into the desire for hugging, touching - because you are forcing the mind into 'fewer options'. Thus if you observe - the desire to touch another is still based on an idea. So - you have already walked through many points - very cool. Now you are at the last point one could say - where the mind will use the last desperate attempts to get you to give in. Observe the following - and this you probably realised - when you initially would stop an addiction - that desperate feeling you get as an almost 'physical take-over/possession' where you feel yourself almost unable to stop - that is the mind going into possession to get you to touch. This would be interpreted as 'I desire so strongly to do what is natural'. In the mind one will change the actual information to suit what one wants to hear, so in essence the mind is blaming you for depriving yourself of something 'so natural'. However - you will be able to tell if this is the same addiction pattern playing out.
How does one know this is the exact same addiction?
If anything moves inside you, be it a thought in relation to wanting to touch, or a physical experience - then you know it is the mind reacting to not having its energy fix. Remember - addictions work with the experience of energy. So be it watching pornography, masturbating or touching someone, whatever moves in you as a result of what you are doing - is energy. Some points have an energy that is associated as uncomfortable and some have an energy that is pleasant. Either way we have defined energy that moves through the physical as either pleasant or unpleasant and your mind is using the energies that it knows you do not like and want to get away from to push you into getting the energy that it really is addicted to. So be observant of any movements inside of you - because they are all energy based and they all come from your perception and ideas of what touch and intimacy is.
My suggestion, if you really want to see this point through, is to stop all games you play around touching. Simply make an agreement with yourself to stop playing the energy games and if necessary walk away from points where you could compromise yourself. The other option is as you mentioned to place yourself in a situation where you will touch someone, but what will that go to prove - you will simply 'time-loop back to the same point where you will see a pattern building up in which you will have to arrange your life around being able to touch someone'. This I found only reaffirms the minds addiction because you are giving it the energy that it wants. The justification though becomes that of 'this makes sense, or 'but isn't touch natural?'
While you focus for a long time on stopping, not participating with games with people in your world where you know what you are really doing - and if you are in a situation where you are hugging someone for example - to not deny oneself by shouting at the person to get away from you - lol -but instead to breathe through the experience and not attach any value within the mind as 'this is so special'.
I suggest focus on working with self touch. I practiced this for a long time and initially it would 'freak me out' (a negative energy experience) when i would give myself hugs or touch myself. The mind would throw all kinds of excuses at me to not do it, in the form of thoughts (you know you are being silly right now, right?), and uncomfortability as sweating, physical pain etc. I pushed through this and only focused on this for months, to make sure that I got back to me first before I interacted with others. Otherwise I would always know that my attempt to say 'I was not addicted' was a lie, and that my addiction would always be directing me, using me as my mind to convince me - every step of the way. I did not want to be a pawn in a game called my life, I wanted to live for real, so that when I touch another or initiate intimacy with another I know that my mind is quiet and I am enjoying physical touch as the physical, but also not dependent on the moment. It is then also important I found that even if you walk in an agreement/relationship, after learning what it means to touch self and to be self intimate (being comfortable with yourself in all ways), it was still important for me in moments (and I still do this) to 'test myself'. If I am sitting with my partner for example and I start feeling 'horny' I must be able to in one breath get up and walk away, and at another time maybe I would initiate intimacy. However the point is to remain clear on any movements within self that it does not again build up a dependency and that even in an agreement/relationship, both partners must agree to sex, but also be fine to go without it for a while, without it changing either person or the agreement. Therefore both agree in a moment that you will now play and have sex, but also know that both are clear if there is no sex for a while, thus both partners know they are not being directed by sex. Therefore you want to practice these points for yourself for months and maybe even years before you go into an agreement and I insisted that my current agreement partner do the same - walk through your addictions first until we both apply ourselves for ourselves as equals within an agreement.
Saturday, September 10, 2011
Rick Ross is a Cult and here are the reasons why
The Desteni website started towards the end of 2007. In October 2008 a thread is opened on the Rick Ross Forum, where they start discussing Desteni and that it is a potential Cult. Their point of reference are the cults and cult members from History that have caused harm to their members/the public. Now Rick Ross uses previous cults and their harmful activities as a benchmark to compare all other groups or organizations on the internet. If your group matches some of the characteristics of a harmful cult, especially some characteristics combined with other characteristics, then sorry my friend you are a cult.
Please note that when I refer to 'previous members of a harmful Cult' I am NOT saying we are a cult, I am referring to members of groups who in the past were shown to harm people or be potentially harmful and were thus classified as 'Cults or 'Cult members' on the internet. An example of such groups as classified as being a harmful cult on the internet would be: 'The 'Manson Family', 'Aum Shinrikyo', 'Restoration of the 10 Commandments', 'Order of the Solar Temple', 'Heaven’s Gate', 'Branch Davidians', 'Bonus. Jonestown', etc.
Let me explain. Soon after Rick Ross started discussing Desteni on their forum, in which they were pulling random pieces of information that they were observing and comparing them to the actions of harmful cults from the past, it was at this stage that some of the members of Desteni saw it as fitting to go and introduce ourselves, to explain to the Rick Ross members that we are not a harmful Cult, intending on world domination, but instead stand by our principles of creating a better world for everybody by working towards changing the current way of living, which causes immense suffering for a majority of beings on this planet. So as an example, one of the things they used as a 'characteristic' that we are a cult is the fact that we use terminology that they do not understand like 'self-forgiveness', 'self-honesty', 'oneness and equality and 'what is best for all'. These terms were explained on our web site within numerous videos, articles and the blogs and vlogs of Desteni members. The members of Rick Ross had now decided that because they did not understand the terminology, and therefore could not and would not agree with our terminology, we are therefore a cult because cults use confusing and conforming terminology. So already here, you can imagine the debates that pursued back and forth between the Rick Ross members and the Desteni members, because no matter what we did to further explain what was meant by the terminology we use, they would yell 'cult!' A few pages later the Rick Ross moderators started banning us, because according to them we were trying to brainwash the members through the repetition of our terminology. We were simply explaining what our terms mean, and what our principles are. So the more we explained, the more the members went up in arms about our mind-manipulation techniques. At the end of this blog I will provide you will a link to the beginning of the Rick Ross discussion so that you may view the discussion for yourself.
Some of you reading this blog have also already decided that Desteni is a Cult because you don’t like what we have to say and therefore because we say things you don’t like, you find us harmful to yourself and thus you have compared us to groups from the past who want to harm people = therefore in your mind we are a cult. I am not going to debate this point with you. In this blog I will share my insight of why Rick Ross is a Cult as well as a few other interesting web sites whom regard Rick Ross as a Cult.
So, the Desteni members realised that there was no point in continuing this discussion as the Rick Ross members had a quota to uphold, therefore they had to prove that so many groups were cults, or their purpose would no longer be. We continued to monitor on occasion, the Rick Ross forum and would share amongst ourselves the ridiculousness of how the members equate us to Cult members. Of course, the Rick Ross members, gleefully rejoiced in us leaving and explained amongst themselves that we left because we saw that our brainwashing was not going to work on that forum.
As I mentioned, the methods used by Rick Ross are based on taking aspects and mostly assumptions about Desteni and it's members and comparing that to previously dangerous cults. At the end of this thread I encourage you for a good laugh, if you have some basic common sense to not get lost in conspiracy theories, to go read the progression that the thread made and the reasons they used, to call us a cult.
An example would be - because we would not reveal our banking information as proof of money flow to them, it meant that we were keeping our money resources a secret and therefore = we are a cult.
Because the group was founded by a man, who preferred to keep his face off the internet so that the people who were enjoying and utilizing the tools could present their experiences, without it becoming about the founder = we are a cult.
Because most of the articles and videos at that stage were done through an Interdimensional Portal which functions like a channel, and that the members of Rick Ross did not see the validity of 'channels' = we are a cult
Because the founding members of Desteni are all living on a farm together, this was seen by the members as dubious = because perhaps if they were placed in a big group with many woman their minds would go wild with desire and therefore = we are a cult.
Because Desteni points out the deception within reality and that we will not stop until we have implemented a system of Equality that stops all greed based decisions, the members saw this as a form of 'new world order' and 'totalitarianism' and nazism' and therefore = we are a cult.
Because we had interdimensional communication with Adolph Hitler in the afterlife, and showed his ability to self forgive and his ability to comprehend who he was on earth and why he did what he did, this was seen as sinister and a taboo and therefore = we are a cult.
The members of Desteni fully support Desteni and will always attempt to explain what Desteni is about (duh) = therefore Desteni is a cult.
From there on it simply became about tying two random points together and from that making assumptions about Desteni, the Desteni farm and it's members and therefore proclaiming as if they are an actual authority on the actuality of what happens in this reality, that we are a cult.
I mean, if your only point of reference is the fact that you don’t understand or agree with our perspective or stand point and that people in the past who have done harmful things, share in some traits as a Desteni member, then you are not a very good 'expert'. You will notice that they pride themselves in saying that they 'investigated' us. This basically means that they compared points they noticed or assumed about us to that of harmful people from the past and therefore call us a cult to in their defense, 'prevent any further harm due to cult activity happening to people'. None of them had ever been to the Desteni farm, yet they make assumptions about what happens on the farm.
For example:
Because Bernard is the founder and lives on the farm and young woman live on the farm, it must mean that Bernard is doing inappropriate things with the young woman, because... in the past, cult members (remember this is the benchmark they are comparing us to) would sometimes lure young woman to have sexual relations with them. See how easy it is for Rick Ross and anybody claiming to 'investigate' Desteni to take one thread of information and assume what it means, based on your actual intention, which is to break down the organization because you don’t agree with it, but using the justification of…but other cults did this. In the end members were allowed to use this slippery slope technique to imply that Bernard Poolman lures woman to the farm to have indecent relationships with them. That Bernard Poolman was making large amounts of money from Desteni and was using a fake 'portal' to do so. That Bernard Poolman had kidnapped Sunette Spies from some abusive lifestyle and had brainwashed her into relations with him etc, etc, etc. No accountability for what they say and how they make up their assumptions.
This would be the equivalent of me saying that Charles Manson use to enjoy eating barbeque flavored potato chips. Rick Ross likes Barbeque flavoured potato chips. Therefore Rick Ross is a cult leader.
Jim Jones would interrogate new members of his group, until they revealed all their secrets to be forgiven so that they can be integrated into how the Jim Jones group functioned. Rick Ross does this and still does this and is therefore a cult.
Ridiculous.
Let's see how many of Rick Ross' own 'Cult Characteristics' they in fact possess. As I did a Google search to find the Rick Ross site so that I may quote their own 'Cult Characteristics' to compare them to, as they did Desteni to the harmful actions of 'cult members of the past', I came across two interesting sites, where Rick Ross is discussed as being a cult. Please check out these two pages and then I will take the Cult Characteristics from the Rick Ross web site to show that Rick Ross is a Cult:
http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/uploads/CultCharacteristics.htm
http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php/2669-Rick-Ross-cult-buster-or-cultist
Rick Ross is a Cult because of the following Reasons (see my perspective in ""):
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
" as mentioned above the members of Rick Ross completely undermined everything that we said and compared everything we said and do to that of past cult members and doing so under the banner of an authority in cult activities to be able to create assumptions and misrepresent information. No accountability was taken by members who ended up accusing us of for example 'forcing youngsters into relationships with us', or 'having to work as our slaves on the farm'. Even when members were caught fabricating lies, they were not banned from the forum."
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
"It did not matter what we said, they were on a mission to compare all our actions and words to that of previous cult members. When we questioned them on their methods and why they would not divulge their financial information to the public, we were banned.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
" When asked to reveal our financial records, we asked them to reveal theirs and they refused, saying that we were stalling. What gives them the right to ask a group or organization to reveal their financial records to the public?'
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
"This has been covered when I discussed them comparing us to previous harmful members of cults"
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
" If you are not seeing the world as they see the world and you are part of an organization the members do not agree with or even understand you are bullied in the form of 'Bash-Boarding'
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
"everybody on the Rick Ross forum uses the same mind set of comparing organizations to past cult members. If you question a member of the forum you are given a warning to 'stick to the topic' which is 'bash-boarding' Desteni and that you are not allowed to question the integrity of the members. Many of the Desteni members were banned because they asked questions to the people who were making up assumptions and publishing that as deliberate Defamation and Denigration.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
"The entire Rick Ross web sites shows how they have attacked many groups in a similar fashion. They also within their threads provide links to external sites, where they abuse Desteni based on assumptions."
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
"You either stick to the fear of what exists within the groups that are being questioned or the members themselves will be questioned for supporting the 'liars'.
9. The group/leader is always right.
"This has been covered in the fact that Rick Ross has created his 'Warning Signs' of a unsafe group, simply based on characteristics existent within people from history who become harmful, and not on the actual principle of a group and what they do. The groups are attacked because they match certain traits such as 'male leader', 'not disclosing financial records' and 'using methods not understood or agreed upon by Rick Ross's members'
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
"this has been covered in all above points". No matter what we said, if you follow the Rick Ross thread on Desteni you will see that they could make any assumptions they wanted to and would have all the members supporting each other in the 'method' of the group."
I will not be giving my perspectives on the following points, because you will notice that all of these points I have already covered in my explanation of the 'Rick Ross method'.
Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supersede any personal goals or individual interests.
7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
10. Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.
Ten signs of a safe group/leader.
1. A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive.
"Rick Ross is not a safe group' because they will make up stories and misrepresent information to fit their definition of a cult. They are harmful and malicious." Since these discussions have been allowed on Rick Ross, many comments have been placed on Youtube and other sites, towards Desteni members, fueled by the information they received on Rick Ross as the 'experts' - that they will 'kill us, raid and burn down our farm and 'fuck them up', etc. Yes - we have kept the actual comments for verification.
2. A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know.
"Rick Ross was not willing to disclose his finances, the finances of its members and the financial support given by other groups to support Rick Ross in being an 'intervention specialist'. When we ask them which organizations they are linked to and where all their funding comes from and how the funding is raised for those organizations they refused and called it a 'manipulation tactic'. This question to them was in response to the exact same question being asked to Desteni by the administration of Rick Ross.
3. A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight.
"Rick Ross only functions as a cult information forum, which as I have already discussed, bases all their information on the actions of past cult members, therefore they are not able to give a solid perspective on the Desteni research as they themselves have not researched what we have over 20 years, with recorded data as the experiences of those participating within the tools.
4. A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them.
Rick Ross vilifies anybody who comes onto his forum saying that they support the group that is being bash-boarded by the Rick Ross members. Rick Ross exists for the one purpose which is to prove that groups that they do not agree with, within their understanding of the world, are cults. Therefore they use their understanding of what a cult is to create assumptions of people and represent this as facts, encouraging others to also bash-board through the Rick Ross mentality of 'take information, use slippery slope reasoning, now create an assumption you call fact and then publish it on a forum which prides itself in being 'an expert of cults'.
5. A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.
"the entire Rick Ross web site negatively reflects on all the members who participate in bash-boarding, denigration, exclusion, outing, harassment and threats'. If you were to go into the personal records of the members of Rick Ross who contribute towards the 'sharing of opinions' which then result in a group being categorized and labeled as a cult' you would find 'overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.'
6. A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened.
"The members of Rick Ross react to people who choose not to see their families and friends and call such people 'cultists'. From there they give themselves permission as you will see in the thread to collect and create information about people who 'don’t live the same lives they do'. This supports the previous points that assumptions about what makes up a 'cult member' gives internet groups like Rick Ross permission to bully.
7. A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others.
"I suggest go through the 100+ pages of the Rick Ross thread on Desteni and you will find the members escalating in their Bullying and allowance of Bullying based on fabrications."
8. A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem.
"I suggest go through the 100+ pages of the Rick Ross thread on Desteni and you will find the members escalating in their Bullying and allowance of Bullying based on fabrications."
9. A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice.
No - they aim at proving a organization to be a cult - they will stop at nothing to be able to do so - read the thread and see how information is misrepresented'. Read the research on the web site done into many other groups, where the have used the same techniques.
10. A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas.
"If you are drawing your information from other groups/websites/forums where the same method of assumption based on slippery slope reasoning is used, then this indicates a mass attempt at bullying one group.
The original Thread on Rick Ross:
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,62042,page=1
Please note that when I refer to 'previous members of a harmful Cult' I am NOT saying we are a cult, I am referring to members of groups who in the past were shown to harm people or be potentially harmful and were thus classified as 'Cults or 'Cult members' on the internet. An example of such groups as classified as being a harmful cult on the internet would be: 'The 'Manson Family', 'Aum Shinrikyo', 'Restoration of the 10 Commandments', 'Order of the Solar Temple', 'Heaven’s Gate', 'Branch Davidians', 'Bonus. Jonestown', etc.
Let me explain. Soon after Rick Ross started discussing Desteni on their forum, in which they were pulling random pieces of information that they were observing and comparing them to the actions of harmful cults from the past, it was at this stage that some of the members of Desteni saw it as fitting to go and introduce ourselves, to explain to the Rick Ross members that we are not a harmful Cult, intending on world domination, but instead stand by our principles of creating a better world for everybody by working towards changing the current way of living, which causes immense suffering for a majority of beings on this planet. So as an example, one of the things they used as a 'characteristic' that we are a cult is the fact that we use terminology that they do not understand like 'self-forgiveness', 'self-honesty', 'oneness and equality and 'what is best for all'. These terms were explained on our web site within numerous videos, articles and the blogs and vlogs of Desteni members. The members of Rick Ross had now decided that because they did not understand the terminology, and therefore could not and would not agree with our terminology, we are therefore a cult because cults use confusing and conforming terminology. So already here, you can imagine the debates that pursued back and forth between the Rick Ross members and the Desteni members, because no matter what we did to further explain what was meant by the terminology we use, they would yell 'cult!' A few pages later the Rick Ross moderators started banning us, because according to them we were trying to brainwash the members through the repetition of our terminology. We were simply explaining what our terms mean, and what our principles are. So the more we explained, the more the members went up in arms about our mind-manipulation techniques. At the end of this blog I will provide you will a link to the beginning of the Rick Ross discussion so that you may view the discussion for yourself.
Some of you reading this blog have also already decided that Desteni is a Cult because you don’t like what we have to say and therefore because we say things you don’t like, you find us harmful to yourself and thus you have compared us to groups from the past who want to harm people = therefore in your mind we are a cult. I am not going to debate this point with you. In this blog I will share my insight of why Rick Ross is a Cult as well as a few other interesting web sites whom regard Rick Ross as a Cult.
So, the Desteni members realised that there was no point in continuing this discussion as the Rick Ross members had a quota to uphold, therefore they had to prove that so many groups were cults, or their purpose would no longer be. We continued to monitor on occasion, the Rick Ross forum and would share amongst ourselves the ridiculousness of how the members equate us to Cult members. Of course, the Rick Ross members, gleefully rejoiced in us leaving and explained amongst themselves that we left because we saw that our brainwashing was not going to work on that forum.
As I mentioned, the methods used by Rick Ross are based on taking aspects and mostly assumptions about Desteni and it's members and comparing that to previously dangerous cults. At the end of this thread I encourage you for a good laugh, if you have some basic common sense to not get lost in conspiracy theories, to go read the progression that the thread made and the reasons they used, to call us a cult.
An example would be - because we would not reveal our banking information as proof of money flow to them, it meant that we were keeping our money resources a secret and therefore = we are a cult.
Because the group was founded by a man, who preferred to keep his face off the internet so that the people who were enjoying and utilizing the tools could present their experiences, without it becoming about the founder = we are a cult.
Because most of the articles and videos at that stage were done through an Interdimensional Portal which functions like a channel, and that the members of Rick Ross did not see the validity of 'channels' = we are a cult
Because the founding members of Desteni are all living on a farm together, this was seen by the members as dubious = because perhaps if they were placed in a big group with many woman their minds would go wild with desire and therefore = we are a cult.
Because Desteni points out the deception within reality and that we will not stop until we have implemented a system of Equality that stops all greed based decisions, the members saw this as a form of 'new world order' and 'totalitarianism' and nazism' and therefore = we are a cult.
Because we had interdimensional communication with Adolph Hitler in the afterlife, and showed his ability to self forgive and his ability to comprehend who he was on earth and why he did what he did, this was seen as sinister and a taboo and therefore = we are a cult.
The members of Desteni fully support Desteni and will always attempt to explain what Desteni is about (duh) = therefore Desteni is a cult.
From there on it simply became about tying two random points together and from that making assumptions about Desteni, the Desteni farm and it's members and therefore proclaiming as if they are an actual authority on the actuality of what happens in this reality, that we are a cult.
I mean, if your only point of reference is the fact that you don’t understand or agree with our perspective or stand point and that people in the past who have done harmful things, share in some traits as a Desteni member, then you are not a very good 'expert'. You will notice that they pride themselves in saying that they 'investigated' us. This basically means that they compared points they noticed or assumed about us to that of harmful people from the past and therefore call us a cult to in their defense, 'prevent any further harm due to cult activity happening to people'. None of them had ever been to the Desteni farm, yet they make assumptions about what happens on the farm.
For example:
Because Bernard is the founder and lives on the farm and young woman live on the farm, it must mean that Bernard is doing inappropriate things with the young woman, because... in the past, cult members (remember this is the benchmark they are comparing us to) would sometimes lure young woman to have sexual relations with them. See how easy it is for Rick Ross and anybody claiming to 'investigate' Desteni to take one thread of information and assume what it means, based on your actual intention, which is to break down the organization because you don’t agree with it, but using the justification of…but other cults did this. In the end members were allowed to use this slippery slope technique to imply that Bernard Poolman lures woman to the farm to have indecent relationships with them. That Bernard Poolman was making large amounts of money from Desteni and was using a fake 'portal' to do so. That Bernard Poolman had kidnapped Sunette Spies from some abusive lifestyle and had brainwashed her into relations with him etc, etc, etc. No accountability for what they say and how they make up their assumptions.
This would be the equivalent of me saying that Charles Manson use to enjoy eating barbeque flavored potato chips. Rick Ross likes Barbeque flavoured potato chips. Therefore Rick Ross is a cult leader.
Jim Jones would interrogate new members of his group, until they revealed all their secrets to be forgiven so that they can be integrated into how the Jim Jones group functioned. Rick Ross does this and still does this and is therefore a cult.
Ridiculous.
Let's see how many of Rick Ross' own 'Cult Characteristics' they in fact possess. As I did a Google search to find the Rick Ross site so that I may quote their own 'Cult Characteristics' to compare them to, as they did Desteni to the harmful actions of 'cult members of the past', I came across two interesting sites, where Rick Ross is discussed as being a cult. Please check out these two pages and then I will take the Cult Characteristics from the Rick Ross web site to show that Rick Ross is a Cult:
http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/uploads/CultCharacteristics.htm
http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php/2669-Rick-Ross-cult-buster-or-cultist
Rick Ross is a Cult because of the following Reasons (see my perspective in ""):
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
" as mentioned above the members of Rick Ross completely undermined everything that we said and compared everything we said and do to that of past cult members and doing so under the banner of an authority in cult activities to be able to create assumptions and misrepresent information. No accountability was taken by members who ended up accusing us of for example 'forcing youngsters into relationships with us', or 'having to work as our slaves on the farm'. Even when members were caught fabricating lies, they were not banned from the forum."
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
"It did not matter what we said, they were on a mission to compare all our actions and words to that of previous cult members. When we questioned them on their methods and why they would not divulge their financial information to the public, we were banned.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
" When asked to reveal our financial records, we asked them to reveal theirs and they refused, saying that we were stalling. What gives them the right to ask a group or organization to reveal their financial records to the public?'
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
"This has been covered when I discussed them comparing us to previous harmful members of cults"
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
" If you are not seeing the world as they see the world and you are part of an organization the members do not agree with or even understand you are bullied in the form of 'Bash-Boarding'
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
"everybody on the Rick Ross forum uses the same mind set of comparing organizations to past cult members. If you question a member of the forum you are given a warning to 'stick to the topic' which is 'bash-boarding' Desteni and that you are not allowed to question the integrity of the members. Many of the Desteni members were banned because they asked questions to the people who were making up assumptions and publishing that as deliberate Defamation and Denigration.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
"The entire Rick Ross web sites shows how they have attacked many groups in a similar fashion. They also within their threads provide links to external sites, where they abuse Desteni based on assumptions."
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
"You either stick to the fear of what exists within the groups that are being questioned or the members themselves will be questioned for supporting the 'liars'.
9. The group/leader is always right.
"This has been covered in the fact that Rick Ross has created his 'Warning Signs' of a unsafe group, simply based on characteristics existent within people from history who become harmful, and not on the actual principle of a group and what they do. The groups are attacked because they match certain traits such as 'male leader', 'not disclosing financial records' and 'using methods not understood or agreed upon by Rick Ross's members'
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
"this has been covered in all above points". No matter what we said, if you follow the Rick Ross thread on Desteni you will see that they could make any assumptions they wanted to and would have all the members supporting each other in the 'method' of the group."
I will not be giving my perspectives on the following points, because you will notice that all of these points I have already covered in my explanation of the 'Rick Ross method'.
Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supersede any personal goals or individual interests.
7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
10. Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.
Ten signs of a safe group/leader.
1. A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive.
"Rick Ross is not a safe group' because they will make up stories and misrepresent information to fit their definition of a cult. They are harmful and malicious." Since these discussions have been allowed on Rick Ross, many comments have been placed on Youtube and other sites, towards Desteni members, fueled by the information they received on Rick Ross as the 'experts' - that they will 'kill us, raid and burn down our farm and 'fuck them up', etc. Yes - we have kept the actual comments for verification.
2. A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know.
"Rick Ross was not willing to disclose his finances, the finances of its members and the financial support given by other groups to support Rick Ross in being an 'intervention specialist'. When we ask them which organizations they are linked to and where all their funding comes from and how the funding is raised for those organizations they refused and called it a 'manipulation tactic'. This question to them was in response to the exact same question being asked to Desteni by the administration of Rick Ross.
3. A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight.
"Rick Ross only functions as a cult information forum, which as I have already discussed, bases all their information on the actions of past cult members, therefore they are not able to give a solid perspective on the Desteni research as they themselves have not researched what we have over 20 years, with recorded data as the experiences of those participating within the tools.
4. A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them.
Rick Ross vilifies anybody who comes onto his forum saying that they support the group that is being bash-boarded by the Rick Ross members. Rick Ross exists for the one purpose which is to prove that groups that they do not agree with, within their understanding of the world, are cults. Therefore they use their understanding of what a cult is to create assumptions of people and represent this as facts, encouraging others to also bash-board through the Rick Ross mentality of 'take information, use slippery slope reasoning, now create an assumption you call fact and then publish it on a forum which prides itself in being 'an expert of cults'.
5. A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.
"the entire Rick Ross web site negatively reflects on all the members who participate in bash-boarding, denigration, exclusion, outing, harassment and threats'. If you were to go into the personal records of the members of Rick Ross who contribute towards the 'sharing of opinions' which then result in a group being categorized and labeled as a cult' you would find 'overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.'
6. A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened.
"The members of Rick Ross react to people who choose not to see their families and friends and call such people 'cultists'. From there they give themselves permission as you will see in the thread to collect and create information about people who 'don’t live the same lives they do'. This supports the previous points that assumptions about what makes up a 'cult member' gives internet groups like Rick Ross permission to bully.
7. A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others.
"I suggest go through the 100+ pages of the Rick Ross thread on Desteni and you will find the members escalating in their Bullying and allowance of Bullying based on fabrications."
8. A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem.
"I suggest go through the 100+ pages of the Rick Ross thread on Desteni and you will find the members escalating in their Bullying and allowance of Bullying based on fabrications."
9. A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice.
No - they aim at proving a organization to be a cult - they will stop at nothing to be able to do so - read the thread and see how information is misrepresented'. Read the research on the web site done into many other groups, where the have used the same techniques.
10. A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas.
"If you are drawing your information from other groups/websites/forums where the same method of assumption based on slippery slope reasoning is used, then this indicates a mass attempt at bullying one group.
The original Thread on Rick Ross:
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,62042,page=1
Friday, July 22, 2011
Demonology perspective on - Deconstructing Constructs and old Patterns
Demonology perspective on - Deconstructing Constructs and old Patterns
Original post: http://demonology.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=137&p=1260#p1260
So , while working with -deconstructing the constructs - at what point do you stop the patterns, while you are participating in them, by applying self forgiveness in the moment as it happens - thus stopping the energy addiction to the entire time loop? I suggest now to see if you are able to stop the patterns while you are participating in them. In this you will find that the relationship might change - because you are now longer walking the pattern, how it changes you will have to breathe through in the moment.
You have written allot of self forgiveness on points you realized after they happened. I suggest continue, as this strengthens ones 'self will in the moments when you face 'the pattern'. When in 'the pattern' only your self honesty will determine how you will continue participating in that which you created a long time ago - or to see them for what they are and apply the necessary steps to stop the pattern as it comes to an end, just to start again.
The mind will say 'but I have to win or I have to get him to appreciate me for who I am or what I am doing now' - I suggest be aware of this - as this is the same system of 'wanting a male to recognize you'. Remember at this stage even though you are walking through your relationship design - you are still it - therefore without actual clear statements based on what you will no longer say and do - you are simply changing the patterns - so they look different to you - who's starting point is mostly to prove something to yourself.
When one is walking process, basically alone, with only your previous self forgiveness here on the forum to assist -it is easy to allow oneself to remain in the same energy pattern - just sugar coating it to look different.
So - I suggest at this point start seeing if you are able to identify which points are now morphed into new points. You will be able to identify them because they take you into the same energy possession whether it is you saying to the male - 'please hug me' or you saying 'you know relationships are really just dishonesty'. The way that the relationship energy is obtained is changed within you, as you - and sometimes this is interpreted as 'I have changed and am directing my relationship' Are you able to say for sure that you are not repeating the same patterns but under different conversations and presentations?
I suggest write down how in the past you would participate in the pattern as your words, thoughts and deeds and how, if any - these points have changed and are now morphed through supportive backchat into different behaviors, words and self belief into a new 'picture' - but underneath you still react in pain, embarrassment and self hatred - when the male rejects 'you'.
Also give us feedback on any points where you have taken your self forgiveness statements through to living correction - in which you see within yourself that you remain consistent and do not change or revert back to old patterns.
Original post: http://demonology.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=137&p=1260#p1260
So , while working with -deconstructing the constructs - at what point do you stop the patterns, while you are participating in them, by applying self forgiveness in the moment as it happens - thus stopping the energy addiction to the entire time loop? I suggest now to see if you are able to stop the patterns while you are participating in them. In this you will find that the relationship might change - because you are now longer walking the pattern, how it changes you will have to breathe through in the moment.
You have written allot of self forgiveness on points you realized after they happened. I suggest continue, as this strengthens ones 'self will in the moments when you face 'the pattern'. When in 'the pattern' only your self honesty will determine how you will continue participating in that which you created a long time ago - or to see them for what they are and apply the necessary steps to stop the pattern as it comes to an end, just to start again.
The mind will say 'but I have to win or I have to get him to appreciate me for who I am or what I am doing now' - I suggest be aware of this - as this is the same system of 'wanting a male to recognize you'. Remember at this stage even though you are walking through your relationship design - you are still it - therefore without actual clear statements based on what you will no longer say and do - you are simply changing the patterns - so they look different to you - who's starting point is mostly to prove something to yourself.
When one is walking process, basically alone, with only your previous self forgiveness here on the forum to assist -it is easy to allow oneself to remain in the same energy pattern - just sugar coating it to look different.
So - I suggest at this point start seeing if you are able to identify which points are now morphed into new points. You will be able to identify them because they take you into the same energy possession whether it is you saying to the male - 'please hug me' or you saying 'you know relationships are really just dishonesty'. The way that the relationship energy is obtained is changed within you, as you - and sometimes this is interpreted as 'I have changed and am directing my relationship' Are you able to say for sure that you are not repeating the same patterns but under different conversations and presentations?
I suggest write down how in the past you would participate in the pattern as your words, thoughts and deeds and how, if any - these points have changed and are now morphed through supportive backchat into different behaviors, words and self belief into a new 'picture' - but underneath you still react in pain, embarrassment and self hatred - when the male rejects 'you'.
Also give us feedback on any points where you have taken your self forgiveness statements through to living correction - in which you see within yourself that you remain consistent and do not change or revert back to old patterns.
Sunday, July 3, 2011
I did not know you could have sex with demons!
Hi everyone my name is Andrea and I am here to introduce myself to you and give insight into how I found Desteni and how I walk with Desteni, within the principles of creating a better world for all.
Ok so the title sounds somewhat strange -but here is my strange story - explaining the background I came from and how I have assisted myself within the Desteni material, with the assistance of the most focused and committed people I have ever met!
When I left high school I wanted to work with horses - and that is all I wanted in life. Until I developed a physical problem with an old injury and had to leave my passion for horses behind. I then decided to follow my next passion which was esoteric healing/new age. I studied to become a Kinesiologist, Energy Medicine practitioner and Paranormal investigator!
But to continue this story I would like to take you a few years back -
After high school I became friends with a wiccan who other than worshipping Wiccan gods and goddesses was also into cruising around on the ouija board, stirring trouble with demons. I got involved with him in wiccanism/magic as well as communicating with troubled souls on the ouija board. Often we would get chased by ghosts and strangled by demons - but nothing quenched our desire to speak to 'the other side'. In this I was looking for an answer to my own life which I did not have a clue how to practically live. You see I had developed adulthood depression from the time my father died. I blamed myself for my father's death and nothing could replace the loss I experienced at never having a decent relationship with my father who himself 'suffered' adulthood depression. I yearned for my father and thus hurtled head first into the domain of demons and ghosts with very little regard for what might happen.
As I was studying Kinesiology - to at least pretend as if I was being a functional human, I was consumed within my own self created depression. 'If only my father could have loved me before he died' - this thought ran through my mind as the silent backchat that I carried with me all the time no matter where I was and what I was pretending to me.
I became very discouraged with having to live in the system. I saw it as a place where one either conforms or you die. I had seen my father suffer at the hands of the system and did not care to follow in his shoes - but in the end had decided to do so in anyway - by going down the road of depression towards possible suicide. I decided to study hard and I started my Kinesiology practice. I was very good at whatever therapy I applied because I was actually a very confident person when in the mood. Unfortunately I was not consistent and made many decisions through which I would compromise myself extensively.
The one decision I made was to remain in an abusive relationship. I met a guy when I had to leave my job where I managed horses due to the physical injury. He was from a big city and spoke all the right words, making me feel special and beautiful. I moved in with him where he was living with his mother. A few months later the emotional abuse started as simple suggestions that he does not want me to see my male friends anymore. By the time I realised what was going on it was to late - I had already convinced myself that what I was - 'in-love' with him and that I wanted to be with him.
By the time the physical abuse started I convinced myself that in the system I would be abused to earn a salary - so 'what difference does it make?' Over the years I had become extensively involved with my spirituality. I was working with wiccan guides often and found a hiding place from the abuse in my spirituality. As long as I could explain the abuse away as some 'higher lesson' - I was fine and could suppress that part of me which stood up in pride and asked 'Andrea what are you doing to yourself?'
The boyfriend found a job in a city one hour away from where we were living and we moved into an apartment loaned to us by a family member. I really enjoyed this because it gave us a sense of privacy. I was becoming more and more ingrained into my spirituality and one day I delved head first into absolute delusions of grandeur by allowing these spirits I communicated with to tell me that I am' god's disciple'. Listening to myself now I wonder how I got to that point of delusion - but when I was there experiencing the pain and frustration and fear - I survived in whatever form possible. So for months all I did was sit and talk to my guides. One day the guides introduced me to the gods sent to prepare me to do 'god's work' . This in a way kept me sane. I mean, being told you are god's disciple is actually quite a bonus when on a regular basis you are getting strangled by your boyfriend until you passed out. It made it all ok! LOL
The boyfriend was doing ok in his job so we decided to get our own cottage near where he worked. I enjoyed being a 'housewife' type by staying at home to cook and clean and play with my puppy. The nightly 'demonic' attacks by the boyfriend though were starting to take their toll. One night while in the midst of his attacks I decided that I has now had enough. I found myself walking to the kitchen, opening the drawer and taking out a knife. I swung around, adrenaline pulsing through me, and pointed the knife right at him. He protested, I threatened to stab him and in the end he convinced me to put the knife down and walk away. I realised that this was it, I had crossed a line and was now preparing myself to really hurt him or myself. I decided to phone a police friend of mine to remove me from this environment.
After this incident I moved in with my mom, but decided that I will rather stay with the boyfriend than get a job. When I confronted all my guides and gods who I had established this spiritual connection with - about how and why they would actually allow this man to abuse me and that I was sick of them telling me that I was being asked to walk through spiritual lessons - they finally confessed and admitted that they were actually one demon. The joke was on me.
And again - instead of walking away I could not face the world and having to take any form of self responsibility for myself in this physical reality - so I made a deal with the demon. I told him that he may possess me and have my body - if he would just let me rest and hide inside my body. He agreed but with one catch: he refused to go find work!!! Oh boy we were a funny pair. We would sit for hours - me possessed drooling on my bed pleading with the demon to go find a job for us to survive and him cursing that the system is fucked up and he wants nothing to do with it. In the meantime I was still in a relationship with the boyfriend simply so that he would pay for my rent and food.
I had started exploring spirit sex when I allowed myself to fall in love with one of the gods. The funny thing is that when this god revealed to me that he was actually a demon I found myself drawn into a dark world of spirit sex with demons. I really did not care and yet at the same time I was petrified of how it would all end. The demon constantly threatened to attack me and I found myself addicted to the rush. At this point I had stepped over a line which caused me to not know how to get back. My depression caused me to not be able to think effectively and the state of possession I preferred than having to step forth into my own body and take action. I started experimenting with taking my migraine tablets to see how drowsy I would get. I just wanted to sleep and I hoped that one day I could muster the courage to overdose and die.
One night the demon and his demon friends decided to call my bluff on killing myself. They start waking me up at night telling me that the time is coming nearer for me to go live with them in the dimensions. Due to the fact that possession had because so easy for me - in which I allowed the demon to take over my body completely - It was easy for the demon to just step into my mind and suppress me completely. This particular night the demon tells me that he will now be killing me. I find myself getting out of bed and floating inside my body somewhere while observing my body walking to the kitchen. He opens the kitchen drawer and takes out a knife. This is placed against my wrist and he starts pulling down and into the flesh. I panic as I realize that the agreement we had for him to just leave me alone - was no longer. He meant business. I stopped him from doing anything fatal but the next day had to contact 'the boyfriend' and tell him that the demon is trying to kill me and that we had to do something. He phones around and finds a group of people who specialize in exorcisms and a day late I am taken for an exorcism. The story continued a few months later - which eventually led to me going to a medium and being introduced to my guide - my actual guide that is…
On the desteniproddemons channel on youtube you will find my video series on this subject.
So continuing - I became close to my guide and I found him to be a great support. I was still experiencing depression and lack of self will, but focused on my work. At a Kinesiology meeting I meet Bernard and Sunette who were doing a talk about how Sunette leaves her body. I really enjoyed this talk as well as the fact that Bernard mentions that they speak daily to dimensional beings. I was fascinated by what they do and asked if they have people joining in for discussions or classes etc. They said I can visit any time because 'this is what they do everyday and night'. A few days later I visit them and sit in awe how the portal can have one being after the next come through and talk to us. I had fun.
I was invited to visit them again and started feeling comfortable amongst the group, as having found people I can relate to within my world of 'spirits'. Around this time my own world was falling apart. I had lost my financial support when the boyfriend just 'disappears' and when I finally get him to answer his phone he admits that he 'met someone else'. I was a wreck. My worst nightmare was folding in on itself and I had no where left to go. A day later Bernard phones me to find out how I am doing and I start crying. I go and visit them at which point Bernard and Esteni invite me to move in with them. I was amazed that a group of people will be so open and giving to someone they had just met.
For months after moving in with them I was focusing simply on getting myself stable again. A few months before moving in with them I ended up in hospital with high blood pressure and panic attacks. So starting this new life was a challenge for me because I was now on high blood pressure medication at the age of 28 and would become dizzy often - my body could no longer function under constant stress and fear.
While focusing on my own process of self honesty and self forgiveness - one of the major points I had to face was letting go of Jack - my guide. It was important for me to take back all self responsibility and to prove to myself that I no longer had to depend on another as a substitute for 'Self'. Therefore it was decided that Jack would no longer be my guide and I did not take this well. My mind was intertwined with and as Jack - therefore by not having my connection with Jack I experienced it at the time as if a part of my mind - a part of myself - was gone. Becoming functional in light of this, was not easy. I went through an extensive period of anger towards Jack and Bernard because just like the Desteni haters - I was fighting for my own limitation. I wanted to have someone to call my own and someone who would tell me they loved me. I was not fully ready to see that what I had placed into and as 'Jack' was myself and that I was petrified to stand up and give myself back to me - simply because I did not trust myself to direct me effectively without making harmful decisions. Each day that went by got easier as I worked with breathing, self forgiveness, writing and the consistency within not allowing myself to give up. Forgiving me for what I have allowed was not easy, and yet I faced it.
As we decided to start the Desteni web site and the DesteniProductions youtube channel - this new project which incorporated writing, video productions and internet management allowed me to focus on what I enjoyed and to not mull around in my mind, pining for Jack. It was months later that I started to emerge more and more out of my shell and to actually start taking pride in myself again. This had been a long road and I have faced many layers of self created personalities. The work and focus of the people here - just to assist me has been immense - and this assistance is available to all who decide to participate on these forums - therefore the proof is in the pudding - so to speak - that Desteni and those who form part of it truly understand and want to assist all who all willing to assist themselves to break addictions and stop self abuse.
What was realised while we were having lengthy discussions within the group was that an idea had been created by all of us, myself included of what life could be like, but that instead all of us were creating separate realities in our minds. This as each of us found existed as secret mind realities where each one is special and loved and adored. We realised that it was time for us as humanity to look at what is practical to be lived by all people on earth while in the physical, and what is to be stopped as fantasy in the mind. It was evident by using basic common sense that 'heaven on earth' does not have to be secretive, secluded realities only accessible to those who have money. Currently this is how the world functions - if you have money, you can buy your own 'heaven on earth' - but by doing this you are participating in a capitalist system which creates and exists as 'hell on earth' for millions of beings who share this planet with us.
In looking at all the decisions I have made in my life, I too realised that each decision I made was based on the simple desire to be special in the eyes of others and simply to survive. Therefore by writing down my life experience I could see how I was attempting, just like every other person to 'get what I wanted'. What I wanted though as you are able to see from this overview of my life, was not practical and was not supporting myself to live effectively here in this physical reality. It was all about secret mind desires to be powerful and desirable. I realised that this is actually what is behind the decision that each human makes. In each human is the desire to fulfill oneself through what experiences one has in the mind through thinking and feeling. Each person wants to feel good, feel special, feel desired, feel like they are in control. Therefore we follow thoughts which direct us into make life decisions in what to participate in - to get these feelings. Therefore as the human - I realised that we have become addicted to energy and thus each one of us tacitly agrees to all forms of abuse on this planet, just so that we can participate in our little world through which we seek to have power over others and to consume to our hearts desire. Each of us, like myself have also designed the perfect justifications why we all get to accept the current world conditions as it is. We have all agreed that human nature is acceptable simply because 'it is like this' - never considering how we have all created and programmed 'human nature' and on what basis we have done so. When you stop and you draw a time line of your own life and life decisions you will see, as I have that each decision was made in a moment, for you to achieve some kind of feeling of specialness and greatness. That is why we have religion, spirituality, consumerism, culture, family, entertainment, class, relationships, friendships, sex etc - all of it exists to fuel man's desire to have a special experience, which happens in the mind and has nothing to do with the physical reality which supports us as food, water and the air we breathe.
The next question I was asked was 'other than wanting to find my self worth in amongst all the billions of people on this planet - what else directed my decisions in every moment? I answers that money was the reason why I had to make certain decisions. I looked at my life thus far. Each decision was calculated according to whether it provided me with money and if I had enough money for the month then I would pursue my hobbies like spirituality and horse riding which allowed me to feel powerful, special, at-one-with-myself. This was all based on the energy experience I would have while participating in my world. Nothing more. The rest of the time was again spent working for enough money to survive. I was fortunate enough at least to be able to make some money from my 'esoteric personality' - LOL - most people end up having to work in the system and never doing what they would like to - therefore I was grateful that I could do what I enjoyed by doing Kinesiology on people and animals. The next question was asked - how would your life have been different if you had enough money from birth to take care of all your needs - thus allowing you to fully live and express and not be dependent on anyone for survival? Wow - I placed myself in this situation and it was awesome. I would now be a completely different person and would not have made most of the decisions I had. I am now 32 and have spent most of my life abusing myself for self worth and money and have spent the last 4 years working through all the layers, just to start getting to a point of walking here in the physical, breathing.
Then we discussed - would it be possible for each human to have these life experiences you saw - if life was not about survival, but instead about living? I looked at an Equal World System, based on the principles of what is best for all - where from birth each is given an equal amount of money which provides one throughout your life with all that you require for a dignified life. Imagine that - in time all corruption and greed will have to stop because capitalism as the gaining of profit for wealth will no longer exists. The majority will stand up and decide that they have had enough of repeating the cycles of the past where we accept a capitalist system which abuses all life just so that some may become rich. It has taken us this long to create the capitalist system because at the time everyone agreed. If everyone sees eventually for themselves that there is no choice but to do what is best for all, as a decision to do what is best for self - then we will have to change the world system we have placed thus far - where we simply allowed greed to direct us.
This is why I stand for an Equal Money System. I have seen within my own direct experience of living and working in an equality based community - what is possible. I have firstly made the decision to no longer accept and allow self abuse and to take self responsibility for my world as myself. Within this I realised that I had to look at all the decisions I have made to see what they were based on. And fascinatingly enough - each decision I have made was not based on my deciding it - it was based on programming from when I was a child to survive. Each decision I have made from the religion I chose, the relationships and friendships I chose, the values I held, my beliefs, - all of it existed as part of my personality to simply survive in this world where we compete with money or the idea of 'self worth'. Change that within yourself as the definitions you allow based on the approval to be human and then you see that none of your decisions were real. Everything I did was not real because it was based on wanting to be accepted in this world simply to survive. Look here - either you have money to live, or you have to slot yourself in with what others with money want of you - whereby you will receive money from the system. It is that simple - the system functions on money therefore to survive you have to do what generates money or you have to please those who have money who support you by being someone that makes them feel in control of their lives. The cycle of money is tied in with self worth because everything costs money and self worth is created as an idea of 'things you have to have and do and be' within the system.
This is the cycle we exits in and we call this 'being human' - I find this unacceptable for the world - because I was taken from this cycle and shown what is possible. Therefore I do not just speak about an Equal Money System or Equality Based World System - as if it is a new 'fad' for me - I am living this - and in my research I use basic equations - whereby I see if an 'idea' of what is possible - can in fact be implemented for all Equally. This will not be easy - however observe the following: we have been living and creating the current system which functions according to: a system which requires the movement of money and forces each one to survive. Therefore currently we all LIVE to survive. With an Equal Money System we say let us change the system to the 'opposite' one could say which is: 'A system which supports all LIFE - therefore we will Live - and work together in doing what requires to be done for us to Live.
Although Desteni has a vast amount of Videos - of which each one is specific and relevant within its context - I chose the following videos as my ten favorites, simply because they specifically assisted me within my process of understanding myself better, within my life.
1. BEGINNING of Creation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oXZE0eoqUw
2. Apparitions - Spirits - Ghosts - Unexplained Phenomena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVBQp4ZGBVg
3. Demons - The only FREE Spirits in existence Hom36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLOjiS3m_Xo
4. Channeling as Phenomena - what is behind it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f2EjoE8tis&feature=related
5. Akashic Record and the Soul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysoQsbNwCK0
6. Esoteric and Occult World Placements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vuN3FjrOTo
7. Resonance as the Resident Evil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfu8W3LGcgc
8. Interview: DEMONS of the NOW and the FUTURE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-Tv4qLVug
9. Desteni I Process is Leadership Training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHlBa3gJv1U
10. Mathematical Proof of Desteni Equality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxhdDdBrKcQ&feature=related
Ok so the title sounds somewhat strange -but here is my strange story - explaining the background I came from and how I have assisted myself within the Desteni material, with the assistance of the most focused and committed people I have ever met!
When I left high school I wanted to work with horses - and that is all I wanted in life. Until I developed a physical problem with an old injury and had to leave my passion for horses behind. I then decided to follow my next passion which was esoteric healing/new age. I studied to become a Kinesiologist, Energy Medicine practitioner and Paranormal investigator!
But to continue this story I would like to take you a few years back -
After high school I became friends with a wiccan who other than worshipping Wiccan gods and goddesses was also into cruising around on the ouija board, stirring trouble with demons. I got involved with him in wiccanism/magic as well as communicating with troubled souls on the ouija board. Often we would get chased by ghosts and strangled by demons - but nothing quenched our desire to speak to 'the other side'. In this I was looking for an answer to my own life which I did not have a clue how to practically live. You see I had developed adulthood depression from the time my father died. I blamed myself for my father's death and nothing could replace the loss I experienced at never having a decent relationship with my father who himself 'suffered' adulthood depression. I yearned for my father and thus hurtled head first into the domain of demons and ghosts with very little regard for what might happen.
As I was studying Kinesiology - to at least pretend as if I was being a functional human, I was consumed within my own self created depression. 'If only my father could have loved me before he died' - this thought ran through my mind as the silent backchat that I carried with me all the time no matter where I was and what I was pretending to me.
I became very discouraged with having to live in the system. I saw it as a place where one either conforms or you die. I had seen my father suffer at the hands of the system and did not care to follow in his shoes - but in the end had decided to do so in anyway - by going down the road of depression towards possible suicide. I decided to study hard and I started my Kinesiology practice. I was very good at whatever therapy I applied because I was actually a very confident person when in the mood. Unfortunately I was not consistent and made many decisions through which I would compromise myself extensively.
The one decision I made was to remain in an abusive relationship. I met a guy when I had to leave my job where I managed horses due to the physical injury. He was from a big city and spoke all the right words, making me feel special and beautiful. I moved in with him where he was living with his mother. A few months later the emotional abuse started as simple suggestions that he does not want me to see my male friends anymore. By the time I realised what was going on it was to late - I had already convinced myself that what I was - 'in-love' with him and that I wanted to be with him.
By the time the physical abuse started I convinced myself that in the system I would be abused to earn a salary - so 'what difference does it make?' Over the years I had become extensively involved with my spirituality. I was working with wiccan guides often and found a hiding place from the abuse in my spirituality. As long as I could explain the abuse away as some 'higher lesson' - I was fine and could suppress that part of me which stood up in pride and asked 'Andrea what are you doing to yourself?'
The boyfriend found a job in a city one hour away from where we were living and we moved into an apartment loaned to us by a family member. I really enjoyed this because it gave us a sense of privacy. I was becoming more and more ingrained into my spirituality and one day I delved head first into absolute delusions of grandeur by allowing these spirits I communicated with to tell me that I am' god's disciple'. Listening to myself now I wonder how I got to that point of delusion - but when I was there experiencing the pain and frustration and fear - I survived in whatever form possible. So for months all I did was sit and talk to my guides. One day the guides introduced me to the gods sent to prepare me to do 'god's work' . This in a way kept me sane. I mean, being told you are god's disciple is actually quite a bonus when on a regular basis you are getting strangled by your boyfriend until you passed out. It made it all ok! LOL
The boyfriend was doing ok in his job so we decided to get our own cottage near where he worked. I enjoyed being a 'housewife' type by staying at home to cook and clean and play with my puppy. The nightly 'demonic' attacks by the boyfriend though were starting to take their toll. One night while in the midst of his attacks I decided that I has now had enough. I found myself walking to the kitchen, opening the drawer and taking out a knife. I swung around, adrenaline pulsing through me, and pointed the knife right at him. He protested, I threatened to stab him and in the end he convinced me to put the knife down and walk away. I realised that this was it, I had crossed a line and was now preparing myself to really hurt him or myself. I decided to phone a police friend of mine to remove me from this environment.
After this incident I moved in with my mom, but decided that I will rather stay with the boyfriend than get a job. When I confronted all my guides and gods who I had established this spiritual connection with - about how and why they would actually allow this man to abuse me and that I was sick of them telling me that I was being asked to walk through spiritual lessons - they finally confessed and admitted that they were actually one demon. The joke was on me.
And again - instead of walking away I could not face the world and having to take any form of self responsibility for myself in this physical reality - so I made a deal with the demon. I told him that he may possess me and have my body - if he would just let me rest and hide inside my body. He agreed but with one catch: he refused to go find work!!! Oh boy we were a funny pair. We would sit for hours - me possessed drooling on my bed pleading with the demon to go find a job for us to survive and him cursing that the system is fucked up and he wants nothing to do with it. In the meantime I was still in a relationship with the boyfriend simply so that he would pay for my rent and food.
I had started exploring spirit sex when I allowed myself to fall in love with one of the gods. The funny thing is that when this god revealed to me that he was actually a demon I found myself drawn into a dark world of spirit sex with demons. I really did not care and yet at the same time I was petrified of how it would all end. The demon constantly threatened to attack me and I found myself addicted to the rush. At this point I had stepped over a line which caused me to not know how to get back. My depression caused me to not be able to think effectively and the state of possession I preferred than having to step forth into my own body and take action. I started experimenting with taking my migraine tablets to see how drowsy I would get. I just wanted to sleep and I hoped that one day I could muster the courage to overdose and die.
One night the demon and his demon friends decided to call my bluff on killing myself. They start waking me up at night telling me that the time is coming nearer for me to go live with them in the dimensions. Due to the fact that possession had because so easy for me - in which I allowed the demon to take over my body completely - It was easy for the demon to just step into my mind and suppress me completely. This particular night the demon tells me that he will now be killing me. I find myself getting out of bed and floating inside my body somewhere while observing my body walking to the kitchen. He opens the kitchen drawer and takes out a knife. This is placed against my wrist and he starts pulling down and into the flesh. I panic as I realize that the agreement we had for him to just leave me alone - was no longer. He meant business. I stopped him from doing anything fatal but the next day had to contact 'the boyfriend' and tell him that the demon is trying to kill me and that we had to do something. He phones around and finds a group of people who specialize in exorcisms and a day late I am taken for an exorcism. The story continued a few months later - which eventually led to me going to a medium and being introduced to my guide - my actual guide that is…
On the desteniproddemons channel on youtube you will find my video series on this subject.
So continuing - I became close to my guide and I found him to be a great support. I was still experiencing depression and lack of self will, but focused on my work. At a Kinesiology meeting I meet Bernard and Sunette who were doing a talk about how Sunette leaves her body. I really enjoyed this talk as well as the fact that Bernard mentions that they speak daily to dimensional beings. I was fascinated by what they do and asked if they have people joining in for discussions or classes etc. They said I can visit any time because 'this is what they do everyday and night'. A few days later I visit them and sit in awe how the portal can have one being after the next come through and talk to us. I had fun.
I was invited to visit them again and started feeling comfortable amongst the group, as having found people I can relate to within my world of 'spirits'. Around this time my own world was falling apart. I had lost my financial support when the boyfriend just 'disappears' and when I finally get him to answer his phone he admits that he 'met someone else'. I was a wreck. My worst nightmare was folding in on itself and I had no where left to go. A day later Bernard phones me to find out how I am doing and I start crying. I go and visit them at which point Bernard and Esteni invite me to move in with them. I was amazed that a group of people will be so open and giving to someone they had just met.
For months after moving in with them I was focusing simply on getting myself stable again. A few months before moving in with them I ended up in hospital with high blood pressure and panic attacks. So starting this new life was a challenge for me because I was now on high blood pressure medication at the age of 28 and would become dizzy often - my body could no longer function under constant stress and fear.
While focusing on my own process of self honesty and self forgiveness - one of the major points I had to face was letting go of Jack - my guide. It was important for me to take back all self responsibility and to prove to myself that I no longer had to depend on another as a substitute for 'Self'. Therefore it was decided that Jack would no longer be my guide and I did not take this well. My mind was intertwined with and as Jack - therefore by not having my connection with Jack I experienced it at the time as if a part of my mind - a part of myself - was gone. Becoming functional in light of this, was not easy. I went through an extensive period of anger towards Jack and Bernard because just like the Desteni haters - I was fighting for my own limitation. I wanted to have someone to call my own and someone who would tell me they loved me. I was not fully ready to see that what I had placed into and as 'Jack' was myself and that I was petrified to stand up and give myself back to me - simply because I did not trust myself to direct me effectively without making harmful decisions. Each day that went by got easier as I worked with breathing, self forgiveness, writing and the consistency within not allowing myself to give up. Forgiving me for what I have allowed was not easy, and yet I faced it.
As we decided to start the Desteni web site and the DesteniProductions youtube channel - this new project which incorporated writing, video productions and internet management allowed me to focus on what I enjoyed and to not mull around in my mind, pining for Jack. It was months later that I started to emerge more and more out of my shell and to actually start taking pride in myself again. This had been a long road and I have faced many layers of self created personalities. The work and focus of the people here - just to assist me has been immense - and this assistance is available to all who decide to participate on these forums - therefore the proof is in the pudding - so to speak - that Desteni and those who form part of it truly understand and want to assist all who all willing to assist themselves to break addictions and stop self abuse.
What was realised while we were having lengthy discussions within the group was that an idea had been created by all of us, myself included of what life could be like, but that instead all of us were creating separate realities in our minds. This as each of us found existed as secret mind realities where each one is special and loved and adored. We realised that it was time for us as humanity to look at what is practical to be lived by all people on earth while in the physical, and what is to be stopped as fantasy in the mind. It was evident by using basic common sense that 'heaven on earth' does not have to be secretive, secluded realities only accessible to those who have money. Currently this is how the world functions - if you have money, you can buy your own 'heaven on earth' - but by doing this you are participating in a capitalist system which creates and exists as 'hell on earth' for millions of beings who share this planet with us.
In looking at all the decisions I have made in my life, I too realised that each decision I made was based on the simple desire to be special in the eyes of others and simply to survive. Therefore by writing down my life experience I could see how I was attempting, just like every other person to 'get what I wanted'. What I wanted though as you are able to see from this overview of my life, was not practical and was not supporting myself to live effectively here in this physical reality. It was all about secret mind desires to be powerful and desirable. I realised that this is actually what is behind the decision that each human makes. In each human is the desire to fulfill oneself through what experiences one has in the mind through thinking and feeling. Each person wants to feel good, feel special, feel desired, feel like they are in control. Therefore we follow thoughts which direct us into make life decisions in what to participate in - to get these feelings. Therefore as the human - I realised that we have become addicted to energy and thus each one of us tacitly agrees to all forms of abuse on this planet, just so that we can participate in our little world through which we seek to have power over others and to consume to our hearts desire. Each of us, like myself have also designed the perfect justifications why we all get to accept the current world conditions as it is. We have all agreed that human nature is acceptable simply because 'it is like this' - never considering how we have all created and programmed 'human nature' and on what basis we have done so. When you stop and you draw a time line of your own life and life decisions you will see, as I have that each decision was made in a moment, for you to achieve some kind of feeling of specialness and greatness. That is why we have religion, spirituality, consumerism, culture, family, entertainment, class, relationships, friendships, sex etc - all of it exists to fuel man's desire to have a special experience, which happens in the mind and has nothing to do with the physical reality which supports us as food, water and the air we breathe.
The next question I was asked was 'other than wanting to find my self worth in amongst all the billions of people on this planet - what else directed my decisions in every moment? I answers that money was the reason why I had to make certain decisions. I looked at my life thus far. Each decision was calculated according to whether it provided me with money and if I had enough money for the month then I would pursue my hobbies like spirituality and horse riding which allowed me to feel powerful, special, at-one-with-myself. This was all based on the energy experience I would have while participating in my world. Nothing more. The rest of the time was again spent working for enough money to survive. I was fortunate enough at least to be able to make some money from my 'esoteric personality' - LOL - most people end up having to work in the system and never doing what they would like to - therefore I was grateful that I could do what I enjoyed by doing Kinesiology on people and animals. The next question was asked - how would your life have been different if you had enough money from birth to take care of all your needs - thus allowing you to fully live and express and not be dependent on anyone for survival? Wow - I placed myself in this situation and it was awesome. I would now be a completely different person and would not have made most of the decisions I had. I am now 32 and have spent most of my life abusing myself for self worth and money and have spent the last 4 years working through all the layers, just to start getting to a point of walking here in the physical, breathing.
Then we discussed - would it be possible for each human to have these life experiences you saw - if life was not about survival, but instead about living? I looked at an Equal World System, based on the principles of what is best for all - where from birth each is given an equal amount of money which provides one throughout your life with all that you require for a dignified life. Imagine that - in time all corruption and greed will have to stop because capitalism as the gaining of profit for wealth will no longer exists. The majority will stand up and decide that they have had enough of repeating the cycles of the past where we accept a capitalist system which abuses all life just so that some may become rich. It has taken us this long to create the capitalist system because at the time everyone agreed. If everyone sees eventually for themselves that there is no choice but to do what is best for all, as a decision to do what is best for self - then we will have to change the world system we have placed thus far - where we simply allowed greed to direct us.
This is why I stand for an Equal Money System. I have seen within my own direct experience of living and working in an equality based community - what is possible. I have firstly made the decision to no longer accept and allow self abuse and to take self responsibility for my world as myself. Within this I realised that I had to look at all the decisions I have made to see what they were based on. And fascinatingly enough - each decision I have made was not based on my deciding it - it was based on programming from when I was a child to survive. Each decision I have made from the religion I chose, the relationships and friendships I chose, the values I held, my beliefs, - all of it existed as part of my personality to simply survive in this world where we compete with money or the idea of 'self worth'. Change that within yourself as the definitions you allow based on the approval to be human and then you see that none of your decisions were real. Everything I did was not real because it was based on wanting to be accepted in this world simply to survive. Look here - either you have money to live, or you have to slot yourself in with what others with money want of you - whereby you will receive money from the system. It is that simple - the system functions on money therefore to survive you have to do what generates money or you have to please those who have money who support you by being someone that makes them feel in control of their lives. The cycle of money is tied in with self worth because everything costs money and self worth is created as an idea of 'things you have to have and do and be' within the system.
This is the cycle we exits in and we call this 'being human' - I find this unacceptable for the world - because I was taken from this cycle and shown what is possible. Therefore I do not just speak about an Equal Money System or Equality Based World System - as if it is a new 'fad' for me - I am living this - and in my research I use basic equations - whereby I see if an 'idea' of what is possible - can in fact be implemented for all Equally. This will not be easy - however observe the following: we have been living and creating the current system which functions according to: a system which requires the movement of money and forces each one to survive. Therefore currently we all LIVE to survive. With an Equal Money System we say let us change the system to the 'opposite' one could say which is: 'A system which supports all LIFE - therefore we will Live - and work together in doing what requires to be done for us to Live.
Although Desteni has a vast amount of Videos - of which each one is specific and relevant within its context - I chose the following videos as my ten favorites, simply because they specifically assisted me within my process of understanding myself better, within my life.
1. BEGINNING of Creation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oXZE0eoqUw
2. Apparitions - Spirits - Ghosts - Unexplained Phenomena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVBQp4ZGBVg
3. Demons - The only FREE Spirits in existence Hom36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLOjiS3m_Xo
4. Channeling as Phenomena - what is behind it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f2EjoE8tis&feature=related
5. Akashic Record and the Soul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysoQsbNwCK0
6. Esoteric and Occult World Placements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vuN3FjrOTo
7. Resonance as the Resident Evil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfu8W3LGcgc
8. Interview: DEMONS of the NOW and the FUTURE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-Tv4qLVug
9. Desteni I Process is Leadership Training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHlBa3gJv1U
10. Mathematical Proof of Desteni Equality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxhdDdBrKcQ&feature=related
Sunday, June 19, 2011
'The Rite' - Demon Possession Movie Review
Last night I watched a movie - which is based on a 'true story'. How much of it is true I don’t know. The Rite is a 2011 supernatural horror film directed by Mikael Håfström and written by Matt Baglio and Michael Petroni.[3] It is based on Matt Baglio's book The Rite: The Making of a Modern Exorcist,[4] and stars Anthony Hopkins as Father Lucas.
The movie starts with a young man who cannot decide if he should continue with the family business - which is running a funeral home or to follow in the foot steps of 'the other side of his family' which is to become a priest.
The young man has flashes of his childhood - living above a funeral home, having to adjust to the sight of dead bodies in the basement. Then they show us a painful memory of him observing his father preparing his mother's body for her funeral. This imprinted itself on the young man's mind as one if his least favorite experiences, and when the day comes for him to decide which career path he is going to follow he dis-heartedly chooses to rather become a priest, even though he does not actually have much faith himself. The options are bleak, but a man has to eat.
So off he goes to parish-school, while pretending to get 'into the spirit of things'. A few months later he decides to rather quit because no matter how hard he tries - he just cannot convince himself of any type of religious conviction. That night while walking along a dark rainy road, he witnesses an accident in which a young girl is hit by a car. Lying on the cold road, this young girl mysteriously knows she is about to die and after noticing the young priest standing nearby, beckons for him to come closer and give her - her 'final blessing' - so that she does not die without having been blessed. One would imagine that having just been hit by a car resulting in on peeing blood from various parts of your body - that you would concern yourself with getting to a hospital - rather than having a priest bless you while you are slowly bleeding to death… but in any way continuing with the story -
The young priest is hesitant - he knows he has been lying about his faith thus far and therefore feels like he is doing this girl a major injustice. He decides to repeat some words he learned in bible class - which will allow this girl to cross over 'thinking' she has been blessed. Lovely how religion proves itself even in the movies to actually only exist in the mind of the believer. Did that girl require the priest or could she have 'blessed' herself through self forgiveness into the 'afterlife'? Did she end up in hell because the priest was actually not sincere and some cosmic counter was holding her accountable for the acts of the priest? Who knows - it's just a movie - or is it really? -How many people who have crossed over under the delusion of a godly afterlife were rudely awoken by the actuality of heaven - which is as above so below = Self.
Meanwhile - while the young priest is babbling knowledge and information and the young girl is focusing on dying - the parish-school teacher who received the young priests resignation to the parish-school earlier that day - was watching this epic moment from the side walk. The next day he asks to see the young priest (Micheal) and informs Micheal that he will not be accepting his resignation as he has a proposal for him. He explains to Micheal that he witnessed the event that unfolded the previous evening and saw within Micheal a resolve which Micheal himself was not yet aware of. Yes -at that stage I asked myself - what about the fact that the young priest was lying to the young dying girl by pretending to have faith thus pretending to bless her into the afterlife'? Is 'religious conviction' as it is depicted here the deception which is acceptable by all as long as it makes everyone believe their own beliefs?
The young priest denies such resolve and adamantly debates that he is not cut out to follow this life path. The teacher informs Micheal - that he had received a letter from the big boys at the Vatican who claim that demon possessions is on the increase and therefore - the Vatican has decided to employ one exorcist within each catholic church in each country. The teacher explains that he has been asked to select one student from this particular parish school to go for 'exorcist training' and to fulfill the role of the exorcist for that parish. He explains to Micheal that he 'knows' that Micheal is right for this position because of this special resolve thingy, which apparently if the truth were to be told - involves lying and pretending.
Eventually with some persuasion, Micheal decides to give this new career opportunity a chance and agrees to go for the exorcist training. A few days into the course - the head lecturer approaches Micheal and mentions to him that the teacher who had suggested Micheal for this course, had told the lecturer that there is a great potential within Micheal. Therefore he has decided to send Micheal to their local exorcist for 'additional hands on lessons in exorcisms'. Again Micheal confesses that he is not so sure that he should be given such high praise - as his faith is not what it should be for a man in such a position and actually believes that most demonic possession cases are caused by psychological rather than demonic problems. The lecturer suggests that he spend some time with the exorcist and then decide after having spent some time participating in real exorcisms - and if he still feels that way he may leave.
The next day Micheal goes to visit the exorcist, a father Lucas - who is played by Anthony Hopkins. The first thing that struck me here was the symbolic placement of Mr Hopkins - as he is a famous actor who is taken seriously for the roles he has played. Within the movie watcher's mind, one now places the movie into the same category as the 'high regard' one has for Anthony Hopkins as an actor. Soon after their first introductions, Father Lucas (Anthony Hopkins) introduces Michael to his first exorcism - of that of a young pregnant girl. Towards the end of the exorcism, as the young girl is leaving with her mother, Micheal notices that the demon did not leave the girl, but instead simply retreated into the girl for a moment. He questions Father Lucas about this, who responds something along the lines of 'yes, she has been possessed for a while and will continue to be so -I simply drive the demon back once in a while'. This somewhat perplexes Micheal, who proceeds to argue that this girl is not possessed and that she is simply overcome with guilt due to the fact that her father was the one who impregnated her. Father Lucas is adamant and each day tries persistently to convince Micheal that demon possession is in fact more frequent than Micheal suspects. Symbolically this shows that the christian faith have no idea what to do with demonic possession or possession of ones mind and simply indicate that the best way is to 'keep the faith
A few days later the young, pregnant girl is back. Father Lucas had warned Micheal on day one, that due to his lack of experience he should at no stage communicate with the demon, but instead do his part, which is to read the prescribed texts from his little bible. During this specific session, whereby father Lucas is driving the demon back into the girl into a state of suppression, the young Micheal decides to confront the demon head on. He interrupts father Lucas as he swears and cusses at the demon to 'leave this girl,' and starts questioning the demon as to its actual validity. They go around in circles for a while where Micheal accusing the demon of not really being a demon, unless of course he would be willing to give up his name. The demon becomes irritated and reacts by throwing various insults at Micheal. Towards the end of the discussion Micheal basically says to the demon that if he is not willing to give them their name it must mean that he is not real and that this girl is not in fact demon possessed, whereby the jury now leans towards this girl having psychological issues over the fact that she was raped. The demon becomes infuriated and later that day decides to push the baby out of the girls body leaving both her and the baby dead. The demon had now had enough of this game. Father Lucas is overcome with grief and flops into an inconsolable depression for days.
In the days to follow though, strange things start to happen around Father Lucas and Micheal. Micheal is participating daily in his lectures on how to become an exorcist and father Lucas is waddling around his parish contemplating his great screw up in allowing this young girl to die. He does not question god or jesus, whom both played star roles in the exorcisms, but instead takes it all upon himself as the one that should have been able to prevent this demon from killing the young mother and her baby. So the question there is - if one looks at the documentation of demon possessions and exorcisms over time - who actually needed god or jesus? Most exorcisms would last for days, some would end in the death of the possessed person and in all cases of demonic possession - the demon would simply play along with the possession until they got tired of yelling and performing, just to eventually leave the person's body and go find someone else. It is only within the deluded thinking of the religion person - that the beLIEf exists that the demon went to 'hell'. Have you been to hell to actually check the facts for yourself that demons go there after an exorcism? Why does it take so long to exorcise a demon? Why does the priest have to yell over and over and over and over and over for the demon to leave in the name of jesus - does the demon eventually leave because he does not want to be yelled at any more? Does the name of jesus require repetition times 5000 for an exorcism to finally take? I mean does any religious person ever stop to ask the question why a demon who is more clever and older than your average human, would be bothered by a crucifix and the name of jesus? Is a demon really both super clever and also silly as a kid around a clown the minute you lift a little silver cross? The question that should be asked is: where would demons really go after they left the person, did they ever leave?
Have Christians who vow to the validity of exorcisms and the 'name of jesus', ever bothered to climb out of their bodies to check where the demon goes? I mean, if we opened all jails cells of the worst, most meanest criminals of all times - and said 'now listen we are opening these cells so you may have a walk around but on good faith I am trusting that you will come back to your cell at 5'! Will the criminal come back to his cell at 5? No. And yet humans continue to believe that demons as they existed for thousands of years, mastering the art of manipulation - would be bothered by a silver cross and the name of a guy who died on a cross. If god and jesus were all that powerful would religious people not be able to ask upon god to stop world suffering? Regardless of what christians do - the world situation as it is still exists - nothing changes. Regardless of how many exorcisms have been done - it did not stop - thereby indicating the level of brainwashing - for religious people to believe that demons just 'up and go to hell'. The fact that demons exist - is not questioned by religious people. The fact that a god would allow a soul to be so tormented by the life on earth that they would decide to become demonic in the afterlife - is not questioned by the religious. They call it a test of faith - I call it abuse of Life. Nothing has changed - and religion and those who belong to it should be held accountable for abuse to and the condoning of the abuse to life in the name of their beliefs. I mean demonic possessions are either 'real' according to the faithful or not. Which one is it going to be - you choose - either you have been allowing the abuse of innocence -for your cause - or you stop it once and for all. Many christians like to comment on my videos saying that demons were 'created by lucifer or some dark cosmic cause. Ok, so if someone else created them and you as who you claim to really be, claim you know that this is not what is best for that being or yourself - then why do you not find a way to assist demons to no longer exist for the cause of religion? Why do you participate in the polarity of demons which is apparently 'goodness' which exists on the basis of fear of evil - which by its tacit agreement allows for the existence of demons? Why do you not stop and say to your god - assist these beings or I no longer support you? If you answer that what I am saying is 'just to much' then why are you a christian - what purpose do you serve? Has it become too convenient to use imagery and symbolic representations of what demons are to scare your children into becoming good people? If you have used any of the good/bad polarity to raise your children - then you have participated in the abused of a life form.
Now that we have covered how useless religion really is we may proceed with the movie review which shows that the whole purpose of 'evil' and the allowance of demons - and the existence of religion is to keep people trapped in hope - thus never changing the world to 'what is best for all'….
Father Lucas to his great surprise starts coughing up nails and realises that the demon is now in the process of possessing him. He contacts Micheal and explains to him that he will have to assist. Soon after Micheal arrives with one of the other students in the class, whom he had befriended - father Lucas starts showing the symptoms of full possession. This would be the point where hollywood takes demon possession to its most unrealistic level and has Anthony Hopkins' face transform into that of the demons. Other than this, I was amused by this twist in the story - where the exorcist himself becomes fully possessed - yet I realised that there will surely be an ending which will protect the christian religion - which of course would be where this young Micheal would save not only the day, but also the christian faith. The demon who was now fully in possession of Father Lucas challenges Micheal and calls him a 'doubter'. The battle is on between the clever demon whom now possesses all of father Lucas's knowledge and secret mind thoughts about Micheal as a 'non-believer' - and young Micheal, a mere freshman in the area of exorcism. One would imagine that in reality the demon would have kicked Micheals ass - but no - the movie had to turn again towards the unrealistic brainwashing that religion has been using since the beginning of civilization - and pull this old familiar rabbit out of the hat: Micheal 'realises' that if he does not 'find god' and buckle down once and for all with the old faith factor - then he will most probably be witness to the death of Father Lucas. Eventually Micheal realises that there really is no choice for him - he is not equipped to assist Father Lucas or to even deal with this demon one-on-one - and thus resort to 'fake it till you make it' by pretending all of a sudden to have found god. He experiences a sudden onset of religious conviction and feels himself filling up from inside with the holly spirit. He is a new man - completely brainwashed with belief and ready to take on the demon. He pushes out his proud chest and condemns the demon to hell in the name of jesus! At first the demon spits and cusses, eventually he jumps up and grabs the girl who had been assisting Micheal, by the neck. He does what every demon does in all of your demon possession movies and tugs at her deepest darkest memories until she is sobbing with shame. The demons get the humans each and every time. All they have to do is find that within the human which is hidden, that which has not been forgiven and that which the human so strongly beLIEves about themselves.
So - are demons the liars or do they simply present to the human that which exists within the human? Yes - the demon might pull faces and flop around occasionally spewing green goo from the possessed person's mouth - but the real fear for each human behind 'being faced by a demon' - is the fact that we don’t like what they do or say. We don’t like that they can control our minds, we do not like that they can taunt us with our deepest regrets. Most people - do not like that we actually do not know what to do with demons because religion simply offers a pretense, a clinging to faith, never actual solutions.
After the demon reduces the girl to tears, he turns his focuses to Micheal. He gnaws away at Michaels' weaknesses until finally Micheal realizes that unless he absolutely beliefs his own words - they are both screwed and Father Lucas is dead. So, he does what every religious icon in a hollywood movie does - and he calls upon god with all his might and casts that foul demon from father Lucas! The demon is expelled and all is well again. Father Lucas collapses into a deep restful sleep while Micheal and the assistant watch over him. The movie ends - showing Micheal as a fully devout priest and exorcist - and one realises - that he has now found himself and the conviction which others originally saw within him. The endless cycle of human hope continues...
Most of the movie was hollywood style over exaggeration of facts. Yes demon possessions use to exist as dimensional beings trapped within a demonic experience. What we are facing on earth now is mind possession - the mind of man as that which we have accepted and allowed. Therefore even though what is said in the movie is accurate - that possessions are on the increase - what is not accurate and is used to play on people's fears through misrepresentation - is that these possessions are caused by 'spirits' or 'demons'. Possessions are caused by the compound effect of consciousness existent within each human as the mind.
Each human which experiences a state of possession is doing so from within what they have become as their mind as all the layers existent within the conscious, subconscious and unconscious. The Mind as it has evolved over time has become a cesspool of secrets, desires, fears, control, hope, lust etc -and that eventually pushes each human through some form of 'possession' into certain life decisions. Within the DesteniIProcess we are currently designing the Subconscious Backchat phase which deals with that part of the mind which functions from pre-programming. It is nothing personal - the mind simply runs according to automated systems that we as humanity have already programmed into and as consciousness. Therefore what we have become is the demonic nature of man and this is coming through every day in the news - which does not even include what happens inside each human's mind in secret and what happens behind closed doors.
Possession is on the increase - people being driven to acts of madness due to the mind design. This will not be solved by fake words based on religion. It will not be solved with drugs and alcohol. What is suppressed and ignored and denied finds its expression through eventually becoming the physical as a state of physical possession - where the being finds themselves acting on thoughts and reactions - without knowing how to stop.
If you experience yourself becoming possessed by pictures, desires, fears, hopes, envy etc - please join us on the demonology forum - where we write ourselves to freedom through applying the tools of self forgiveness which goes hand in had with self responsibility and self honesty.
If you are religious and have some special religious messages to share with me in relation to this blog - dont bother it will not be approved - and indicates one thing - you did not read the blog and are merely possessed by fear. If you have practical, common sense insight - please discuss.
More on the Movie:
The Rite (2011 film). (2011, June 16). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 10:48, June 19, 2011, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Rite_(2011_film)&oldid=434504005
The movie starts with a young man who cannot decide if he should continue with the family business - which is running a funeral home or to follow in the foot steps of 'the other side of his family' which is to become a priest.
The young man has flashes of his childhood - living above a funeral home, having to adjust to the sight of dead bodies in the basement. Then they show us a painful memory of him observing his father preparing his mother's body for her funeral. This imprinted itself on the young man's mind as one if his least favorite experiences, and when the day comes for him to decide which career path he is going to follow he dis-heartedly chooses to rather become a priest, even though he does not actually have much faith himself. The options are bleak, but a man has to eat.
So off he goes to parish-school, while pretending to get 'into the spirit of things'. A few months later he decides to rather quit because no matter how hard he tries - he just cannot convince himself of any type of religious conviction. That night while walking along a dark rainy road, he witnesses an accident in which a young girl is hit by a car. Lying on the cold road, this young girl mysteriously knows she is about to die and after noticing the young priest standing nearby, beckons for him to come closer and give her - her 'final blessing' - so that she does not die without having been blessed. One would imagine that having just been hit by a car resulting in on peeing blood from various parts of your body - that you would concern yourself with getting to a hospital - rather than having a priest bless you while you are slowly bleeding to death… but in any way continuing with the story -
The young priest is hesitant - he knows he has been lying about his faith thus far and therefore feels like he is doing this girl a major injustice. He decides to repeat some words he learned in bible class - which will allow this girl to cross over 'thinking' she has been blessed. Lovely how religion proves itself even in the movies to actually only exist in the mind of the believer. Did that girl require the priest or could she have 'blessed' herself through self forgiveness into the 'afterlife'? Did she end up in hell because the priest was actually not sincere and some cosmic counter was holding her accountable for the acts of the priest? Who knows - it's just a movie - or is it really? -How many people who have crossed over under the delusion of a godly afterlife were rudely awoken by the actuality of heaven - which is as above so below = Self.
Meanwhile - while the young priest is babbling knowledge and information and the young girl is focusing on dying - the parish-school teacher who received the young priests resignation to the parish-school earlier that day - was watching this epic moment from the side walk. The next day he asks to see the young priest (Micheal) and informs Micheal that he will not be accepting his resignation as he has a proposal for him. He explains to Micheal that he witnessed the event that unfolded the previous evening and saw within Micheal a resolve which Micheal himself was not yet aware of. Yes -at that stage I asked myself - what about the fact that the young priest was lying to the young dying girl by pretending to have faith thus pretending to bless her into the afterlife'? Is 'religious conviction' as it is depicted here the deception which is acceptable by all as long as it makes everyone believe their own beliefs?
The young priest denies such resolve and adamantly debates that he is not cut out to follow this life path. The teacher informs Micheal - that he had received a letter from the big boys at the Vatican who claim that demon possessions is on the increase and therefore - the Vatican has decided to employ one exorcist within each catholic church in each country. The teacher explains that he has been asked to select one student from this particular parish school to go for 'exorcist training' and to fulfill the role of the exorcist for that parish. He explains to Micheal that he 'knows' that Micheal is right for this position because of this special resolve thingy, which apparently if the truth were to be told - involves lying and pretending.
Eventually with some persuasion, Micheal decides to give this new career opportunity a chance and agrees to go for the exorcist training. A few days into the course - the head lecturer approaches Micheal and mentions to him that the teacher who had suggested Micheal for this course, had told the lecturer that there is a great potential within Micheal. Therefore he has decided to send Micheal to their local exorcist for 'additional hands on lessons in exorcisms'. Again Micheal confesses that he is not so sure that he should be given such high praise - as his faith is not what it should be for a man in such a position and actually believes that most demonic possession cases are caused by psychological rather than demonic problems. The lecturer suggests that he spend some time with the exorcist and then decide after having spent some time participating in real exorcisms - and if he still feels that way he may leave.
The next day Micheal goes to visit the exorcist, a father Lucas - who is played by Anthony Hopkins. The first thing that struck me here was the symbolic placement of Mr Hopkins - as he is a famous actor who is taken seriously for the roles he has played. Within the movie watcher's mind, one now places the movie into the same category as the 'high regard' one has for Anthony Hopkins as an actor. Soon after their first introductions, Father Lucas (Anthony Hopkins) introduces Michael to his first exorcism - of that of a young pregnant girl. Towards the end of the exorcism, as the young girl is leaving with her mother, Micheal notices that the demon did not leave the girl, but instead simply retreated into the girl for a moment. He questions Father Lucas about this, who responds something along the lines of 'yes, she has been possessed for a while and will continue to be so -I simply drive the demon back once in a while'. This somewhat perplexes Micheal, who proceeds to argue that this girl is not possessed and that she is simply overcome with guilt due to the fact that her father was the one who impregnated her. Father Lucas is adamant and each day tries persistently to convince Micheal that demon possession is in fact more frequent than Micheal suspects. Symbolically this shows that the christian faith have no idea what to do with demonic possession or possession of ones mind and simply indicate that the best way is to 'keep the faith
A few days later the young, pregnant girl is back. Father Lucas had warned Micheal on day one, that due to his lack of experience he should at no stage communicate with the demon, but instead do his part, which is to read the prescribed texts from his little bible. During this specific session, whereby father Lucas is driving the demon back into the girl into a state of suppression, the young Micheal decides to confront the demon head on. He interrupts father Lucas as he swears and cusses at the demon to 'leave this girl,' and starts questioning the demon as to its actual validity. They go around in circles for a while where Micheal accusing the demon of not really being a demon, unless of course he would be willing to give up his name. The demon becomes irritated and reacts by throwing various insults at Micheal. Towards the end of the discussion Micheal basically says to the demon that if he is not willing to give them their name it must mean that he is not real and that this girl is not in fact demon possessed, whereby the jury now leans towards this girl having psychological issues over the fact that she was raped. The demon becomes infuriated and later that day decides to push the baby out of the girls body leaving both her and the baby dead. The demon had now had enough of this game. Father Lucas is overcome with grief and flops into an inconsolable depression for days.
In the days to follow though, strange things start to happen around Father Lucas and Micheal. Micheal is participating daily in his lectures on how to become an exorcist and father Lucas is waddling around his parish contemplating his great screw up in allowing this young girl to die. He does not question god or jesus, whom both played star roles in the exorcisms, but instead takes it all upon himself as the one that should have been able to prevent this demon from killing the young mother and her baby. So the question there is - if one looks at the documentation of demon possessions and exorcisms over time - who actually needed god or jesus? Most exorcisms would last for days, some would end in the death of the possessed person and in all cases of demonic possession - the demon would simply play along with the possession until they got tired of yelling and performing, just to eventually leave the person's body and go find someone else. It is only within the deluded thinking of the religion person - that the beLIEf exists that the demon went to 'hell'. Have you been to hell to actually check the facts for yourself that demons go there after an exorcism? Why does it take so long to exorcise a demon? Why does the priest have to yell over and over and over and over and over for the demon to leave in the name of jesus - does the demon eventually leave because he does not want to be yelled at any more? Does the name of jesus require repetition times 5000 for an exorcism to finally take? I mean does any religious person ever stop to ask the question why a demon who is more clever and older than your average human, would be bothered by a crucifix and the name of jesus? Is a demon really both super clever and also silly as a kid around a clown the minute you lift a little silver cross? The question that should be asked is: where would demons really go after they left the person, did they ever leave?
Have Christians who vow to the validity of exorcisms and the 'name of jesus', ever bothered to climb out of their bodies to check where the demon goes? I mean, if we opened all jails cells of the worst, most meanest criminals of all times - and said 'now listen we are opening these cells so you may have a walk around but on good faith I am trusting that you will come back to your cell at 5'! Will the criminal come back to his cell at 5? No. And yet humans continue to believe that demons as they existed for thousands of years, mastering the art of manipulation - would be bothered by a silver cross and the name of a guy who died on a cross. If god and jesus were all that powerful would religious people not be able to ask upon god to stop world suffering? Regardless of what christians do - the world situation as it is still exists - nothing changes. Regardless of how many exorcisms have been done - it did not stop - thereby indicating the level of brainwashing - for religious people to believe that demons just 'up and go to hell'. The fact that demons exist - is not questioned by religious people. The fact that a god would allow a soul to be so tormented by the life on earth that they would decide to become demonic in the afterlife - is not questioned by the religious. They call it a test of faith - I call it abuse of Life. Nothing has changed - and religion and those who belong to it should be held accountable for abuse to and the condoning of the abuse to life in the name of their beliefs. I mean demonic possessions are either 'real' according to the faithful or not. Which one is it going to be - you choose - either you have been allowing the abuse of innocence -for your cause - or you stop it once and for all. Many christians like to comment on my videos saying that demons were 'created by lucifer or some dark cosmic cause. Ok, so if someone else created them and you as who you claim to really be, claim you know that this is not what is best for that being or yourself - then why do you not find a way to assist demons to no longer exist for the cause of religion? Why do you participate in the polarity of demons which is apparently 'goodness' which exists on the basis of fear of evil - which by its tacit agreement allows for the existence of demons? Why do you not stop and say to your god - assist these beings or I no longer support you? If you answer that what I am saying is 'just to much' then why are you a christian - what purpose do you serve? Has it become too convenient to use imagery and symbolic representations of what demons are to scare your children into becoming good people? If you have used any of the good/bad polarity to raise your children - then you have participated in the abused of a life form.
Now that we have covered how useless religion really is we may proceed with the movie review which shows that the whole purpose of 'evil' and the allowance of demons - and the existence of religion is to keep people trapped in hope - thus never changing the world to 'what is best for all'….
Father Lucas to his great surprise starts coughing up nails and realises that the demon is now in the process of possessing him. He contacts Micheal and explains to him that he will have to assist. Soon after Micheal arrives with one of the other students in the class, whom he had befriended - father Lucas starts showing the symptoms of full possession. This would be the point where hollywood takes demon possession to its most unrealistic level and has Anthony Hopkins' face transform into that of the demons. Other than this, I was amused by this twist in the story - where the exorcist himself becomes fully possessed - yet I realised that there will surely be an ending which will protect the christian religion - which of course would be where this young Micheal would save not only the day, but also the christian faith. The demon who was now fully in possession of Father Lucas challenges Micheal and calls him a 'doubter'. The battle is on between the clever demon whom now possesses all of father Lucas's knowledge and secret mind thoughts about Micheal as a 'non-believer' - and young Micheal, a mere freshman in the area of exorcism. One would imagine that in reality the demon would have kicked Micheals ass - but no - the movie had to turn again towards the unrealistic brainwashing that religion has been using since the beginning of civilization - and pull this old familiar rabbit out of the hat: Micheal 'realises' that if he does not 'find god' and buckle down once and for all with the old faith factor - then he will most probably be witness to the death of Father Lucas. Eventually Micheal realises that there really is no choice for him - he is not equipped to assist Father Lucas or to even deal with this demon one-on-one - and thus resort to 'fake it till you make it' by pretending all of a sudden to have found god. He experiences a sudden onset of religious conviction and feels himself filling up from inside with the holly spirit. He is a new man - completely brainwashed with belief and ready to take on the demon. He pushes out his proud chest and condemns the demon to hell in the name of jesus! At first the demon spits and cusses, eventually he jumps up and grabs the girl who had been assisting Micheal, by the neck. He does what every demon does in all of your demon possession movies and tugs at her deepest darkest memories until she is sobbing with shame. The demons get the humans each and every time. All they have to do is find that within the human which is hidden, that which has not been forgiven and that which the human so strongly beLIEves about themselves.
So - are demons the liars or do they simply present to the human that which exists within the human? Yes - the demon might pull faces and flop around occasionally spewing green goo from the possessed person's mouth - but the real fear for each human behind 'being faced by a demon' - is the fact that we don’t like what they do or say. We don’t like that they can control our minds, we do not like that they can taunt us with our deepest regrets. Most people - do not like that we actually do not know what to do with demons because religion simply offers a pretense, a clinging to faith, never actual solutions.
After the demon reduces the girl to tears, he turns his focuses to Micheal. He gnaws away at Michaels' weaknesses until finally Micheal realizes that unless he absolutely beliefs his own words - they are both screwed and Father Lucas is dead. So, he does what every religious icon in a hollywood movie does - and he calls upon god with all his might and casts that foul demon from father Lucas! The demon is expelled and all is well again. Father Lucas collapses into a deep restful sleep while Micheal and the assistant watch over him. The movie ends - showing Micheal as a fully devout priest and exorcist - and one realises - that he has now found himself and the conviction which others originally saw within him. The endless cycle of human hope continues...
Most of the movie was hollywood style over exaggeration of facts. Yes demon possessions use to exist as dimensional beings trapped within a demonic experience. What we are facing on earth now is mind possession - the mind of man as that which we have accepted and allowed. Therefore even though what is said in the movie is accurate - that possessions are on the increase - what is not accurate and is used to play on people's fears through misrepresentation - is that these possessions are caused by 'spirits' or 'demons'. Possessions are caused by the compound effect of consciousness existent within each human as the mind.
Each human which experiences a state of possession is doing so from within what they have become as their mind as all the layers existent within the conscious, subconscious and unconscious. The Mind as it has evolved over time has become a cesspool of secrets, desires, fears, control, hope, lust etc -and that eventually pushes each human through some form of 'possession' into certain life decisions. Within the DesteniIProcess we are currently designing the Subconscious Backchat phase which deals with that part of the mind which functions from pre-programming. It is nothing personal - the mind simply runs according to automated systems that we as humanity have already programmed into and as consciousness. Therefore what we have become is the demonic nature of man and this is coming through every day in the news - which does not even include what happens inside each human's mind in secret and what happens behind closed doors.
Possession is on the increase - people being driven to acts of madness due to the mind design. This will not be solved by fake words based on religion. It will not be solved with drugs and alcohol. What is suppressed and ignored and denied finds its expression through eventually becoming the physical as a state of physical possession - where the being finds themselves acting on thoughts and reactions - without knowing how to stop.
If you experience yourself becoming possessed by pictures, desires, fears, hopes, envy etc - please join us on the demonology forum - where we write ourselves to freedom through applying the tools of self forgiveness which goes hand in had with self responsibility and self honesty.
If you are religious and have some special religious messages to share with me in relation to this blog - dont bother it will not be approved - and indicates one thing - you did not read the blog and are merely possessed by fear. If you have practical, common sense insight - please discuss.
More on the Movie:
The Rite (2011 film). (2011, June 16). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 10:48, June 19, 2011, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Rite_(2011_film)&oldid=434504005
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